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Old 11-26-2010, 08:20 AM
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Re: My Aunt just got a WK2 and she's not happy...

I'd be tempted to ask her what the difference is between AWD and 4 wheel drive. I'd bet she couldn't give an answer. Usually, AWD is defined as something that's primarily front drive with the ability to transfer torque to the rear wheels. With QTII and QDII, putting the Select-Terrain knob in "Snow" mode will fix the center differential to a 50/50 torque split anyway (same as you'd have with the QTI). I can't imagine a low range being the deal breaker on climbing that driveway in the winter.

The tires themselves would be more likely to be a limiting factor than the 4x4 system.
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Re: My Aunt just got a WK2 and she's not happy...

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If she doesn't like it, why not take it back? I'd be pissed if I bought a vehicle, and the salesman told me it was something it wasn't.
I don't think you can just return a car the way you can return a sweater if you don't like it....
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I'd be tempted to ask her what the difference is between AWD and 4 wheel drive. I'd bet she couldn't give an answer. Usually, AWD is defined as something that's primarily front drive with the ability to transfer torque to the rear wheels. With QTII and QDII, putting the Select-Terrain knob in "Snow" mode will fix the center differential to a 50/50 torque split anyway (same as you'd have with the QTI). I can't imagine a low range being the deal breaker on climbing that driveway in the winter.

The tires themselves would be more likely to be a limiting factor than the 4x4 system.
Like I said, she was asking me the difference between AWD and 4wd....she didn't know. But she tried researching for info on the Internet. Jeep may call QTI 4wd, but I kinda agree with her that it's really more like AWD. There's obviously no low range (which you typically have with traditional 4wd systems) and there's no buttons/levers for the driver to select 2wd/4wd either.

Still though, I explained to her that AWD can be just as good (or sometimes even better) than some 4wd systems. My mother drives an MDX and the AWD system on that thing is simply amazing. I was extremely impressed how well it manages to "find" traction in slippery conditions.
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Old 11-26-2010, 09:02 AM
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Re: My Aunt just got a WK2 and she's not happy...

[QUOTE=MSCA;307470Jeep may call QTI 4wd, but I kinda agree with her that it's really more like AWD. There's obviously no low range (which you typically have with traditional 4wd systems) and there's no buttons/levers for the driver to select 2wd/4wd either.
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Even on QDII there's no way to select 2WD/4WD. The difference between AWD and 4WD has been getting hazy over the last few years; the off road enthusiasts have enjoyed making hay over the distinction in the past, but nowadays it just isn't that clear cut.

Since the best split for snow tends to be a 50/50, I'd expect QTI to be just fine. If she runs out of traction with that, QTII wouldn't save her; it would be time for winter tires anyway.
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Old 11-26-2010, 09:53 AM
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Re: My Aunt just got a WK2 and she's not happy...

I guess there's no option anymore like I had on my '93 GC. It had Selec-Trac, a leaver I would pull that put it into 4WD from 2WD.?
I could select full-time and just leave it there in winter driving, or part-time which i would use in the nasty stuff - I felt this was the best system.

Then in '96 I got another GC, this time with Quadra-Trac, full-time 4WD. It was good, but I always felt the Selec-Trac was better in the winter.

In '99 I got my third GC, this time with Quadra-Drive, another full-time system, It felt the same as Quadra-Trac to me.

IMO, the Selec-Trac was the best in winter driving, and having rear wheel drive in the summer.

Now I have a 2003 Hummer H2, the best I've had to date, can't put up with the gas milage anymore, so 2012 Overland for me next year!
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Re: My Aunt just got a WK2 and she's not happy...

Just tell her to look at the rear tailgate, lol. Jeep still considers it 4x4 and not AWD otherwise they would put that on the tailgate.
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Re: My Aunt just got a WK2 and she's not happy...

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She needs to get snow tires. Last year I was caught with my all seasons (practically new at the time) with the first big storm. My car is AWD. Not only could I not make it up my hill, but when I stopped, I couldn't keep the car from sliding backwards with the brakes on! Very scary to say the least. I switched my tires when I got home and never had trouble the rest of the winter. No vehicle, 4WD, AWD, what ever, can make it up a steep hill if it doesn't have traction between the tire and the road surface, and snow tires give you the best traction by a mile.
Winter tires my friend, winter tires. With the right winter tires, a Toyota Tercel could most likely make it up the driveway. Two wheels with good traction are much better than four wheels with little or no traction.
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Re: My Aunt just got a WK2 and she's not happy...

i think she shoul get a snowmobile...

anyway winter tires are the answer
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Re: My Aunt just got a WK2 and she's not happy...

I would tell auntie that her AWD is really 2WD as the diffs are open, but it's still better than a 2WD WK2 which is 1WD.

Seriously, if she can't get up the driveway, she'll need to invest in some snow tires, like others haves said.
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Re: My Aunt just got a WK2 and she's not happy...

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I guess there's no option anymore like I had on my '93 GC. It had Selec-Trac, a leaver I would pull that put it into 4WD from 2WD.?
I could select full-time and just leave it there in winter driving, or part-time which i would use in the nasty stuff - I felt this was the best system.
Then in '96 I got another GC, this time with Quadra-Trac, full-time 4WD. It was good, but I always felt the Selec-Trac was better in the winter.
In '99 I got my third GC, this time with Quadra-Drive, another full-time system, It felt the same as Quadra-Trac to me.
IMO, the Selec-Trac was the best in winter driving, and having rear wheel drive in the summer....
Interesting comments. I've had Selec-Trac on my last two Jeeps and they have been great in winter, through moderate weight snow up to the oil pan and underside of the floor, or in light snows up to near the underside of bumpers. (In the same conditions my Silverado 4x4 gets stuck easily; it lacks balance.) Very rare that I ever had to use low range for snow -- if you loose traction in snow its almost always a tire-traction or snow-buildup-under-the-vehicle problem, not gearing.

The Jeep 4x4 systems have good torque balance between front and rear axles, which is what you need in low traction conditions, like snow. I have faith in any Jeep 4x4 to get you through snow better than a so called AWD vehicle.

Having said this, I will be very interested to see how the new on-order Overland with QTII and QL behaves in snow. It better live up to expectations. If we get a regular winter, I'll let you know.
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Re: My Aunt just got a WK2 and she's not happy...

I'm not sure if this is true or not, but I've always had the understanding that AWD will direct power to all four wheels and 4WD will direct power to the front and rear differential. 4WD without lockers, limited slip, etc, is essentially 2WD; 1 rear wheel with power and one front wheel with power.

AWD:
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While I realize there are systems in place that help the AWD send torque to all four wheels, I question whether an AWD system can have the ability to only send power to two wheels at a time while the system is fully engaged like a 4WD system can do.

I couldn't really figure out the answer on google, so if anybody wants to chip in and clarify this for me, that'd be very helpful. Thanks
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I echo some of the other members here in saying she nees some snow tires. Especially if she lives in an area that has lots of it.
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