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Sounds like you need more than one vehicle

IMHO if you are looking for performance / speed and don't need to haul or tow anything than buying something like an SRT Grand Cherokee is kind of foolish. The new Mustang is hard to beat from a sheer performance standpoint.
Nope, the Corvette specifically the Z06 is the ultimate bang for the buck :-) Supercar performance for the same price as an Overland...Well a used Z06 anyway. But anyway maybe the new SRT8 will be the perfect car for this guy. He obviously likes SUV's and the GC SRT8 is absolutely a blast to drive. I had a 08 SRT and loved that thing except the fuel economy was absolutely horrendous. I sold it for that reason lol.
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hmm, a fully loaded X5... i don't know if i would switch to a GC. But anyway, coming from a BMW 4.8i, i think you don't have any choice then the Hemi or maybe, wait for the new SRT.
The hemi was Definitely on the options list. I drove the V6 and the power was too peaky for me. Power uder the curve is what I like and also Torque. The V6 felt liike it was light on torque, compared to what I'm used to. They didn't have a V8 to drive, so I'll reserve my opinion for when that happens. Thanks for posting!

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I am turning in my fully loaded 4.8i for a hemi overland summit this week. There is a thread I started a while back asking the same question as you. There is a lot of helpful info in it so I would use the search function to find it. Bottom line is the jeep is very good on the road w/ hemi, but not as good as the x5. The jeep is better in the snow and off road. I am very excited for my new jeep and will not be upset turning in my x5. Keep in mind that the x5 will be expensive to upkeep once the warrantee is up.
Our X5 came with the 20" BMW wheels and the tires on it originally stunk. Since then we changed up to Conti Extreme DWS all seasons for the three seasons and Blizzak's (18" on some TSW wheels) for winter. It's funny how tires can invoke confidence while driving. The only thing that scares me now is someone sliding into us (and people's driving in general. They're in too much of a hurry).

I wouldn't take my Jeep off roading, so the mountain goat ability of the JGC is not important. It apears to be a Very Capable SUV though that is also easy on the eyes!

I agree with your warranty points though, as BMW's aren't cheap to keep once out of warranty. Luckily, ours is a CPO and has warranty (service and mechanical) until 2014. I just like the looks of the Jeep and am impressed with them. They did a Great job on this WK2!

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I feel that the Overland is very nice looking, luxurious, and has a very capable 4 wheel drive system that is reasonbly priced. However until Jeep completely fixes the "Shudder" problem that is present I can't justify spending 45,000 dollars on an Overland.
I'll have to do some more reading on the shudder problem. Thanks!

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Having come for the following vehicles over the past 5 years hopefully my observations can be of some help.

2004 Cayenne twin turbo
2007 Trailblazer SS
2008 Touareg V8 "Luxury Plus + 4 corner Air"

The JGC Overland 4X4 V8 lacks the "oh my god" thrust capabilities of the top end SUV's and being a HP junkie, like I am, you'll miss that initially. That will fade fairly quickly as long as the replacement vehicle has enough thrust to satisfy the occasional spurts of power we have become accustomed to. The V8 provides that adequately in the JGC though it's obvious there's a lot more capability there once Jeep decides to unleash it.

The ride quality will actually surprise you. Jeep engineers, with the help of Mercedes (sorry if that's a dirty word here) have been able to dial in a ton of compliance without sacrificing road dynamics. I find the ride of the JGC to be much more luxurious than any of the 3 vehicles I listed above while not being sloppy or giving up all that much in the handling department. No, it's not a Cayenne but it's also more than half the price of the twin turbo!

The interior is a mixed bag. By American SUV standards I think it's unmatched, nothing currently comes close, not even the Cadillac SRX. By European standards it's mid pack. Certainly not a slam on the JGC, just an observation. However, it's ergonomics are excellent. The ONLY thing that it loses points on, in my book, is the tactile feel which is a direct result of the materials used and the layout of things like the center console, the way the seats "hover" above the floor and things like that. the European's enclose or wrap things tighter so things like gaps between the seats and the console and the floor are filled giving the interior more of a "carved from one piece of metal" look and feel. It's subjective so YMMV

As for holding off because of problems reported in the Internet, that's a call you need to make. I was an early adopter of the Cayenne so I'm a bit jaded. The problems reported here are child's play compared to what we went through while Porsche AG sorted out that beast! Nothing I've read here gives me pause but I've been buying and selling vehicles for 35 years so unless it blows up in my garage I can deal with whatever it throws me.
Thanks for this post.

Actually the Jeep is less than half the price of a New Cayenne TT (which is an Absolutely Stunning vehicle, but for $100k+, it'd better be)!

My take on the interior is that Jeep did a good job and I agree with you on interior placement and such. I don't have delusions of granndeur or anything like that thinking that the quality can compare to the X5, but JIMO, there is't a better SUV out there for the money! For example, Jeep's saddle upgrade is $275, while BMW's is $1700-2100 JUST FOR THE ACTIVE SEATS! Obviously, this is a Great deal!

I also looked at the 2011 Explorer and walked away thiking that while it is better than the previous Explorer, it's not in the Jeep's league. Once again, Jeep did a Great job on this model. Thanks again for your thoughts!
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I am a Porsche guy, German engineering J, the only two things i donít like are:

1. Very soft steering power assist would be better
2. The pedals re too close to the floor, big feet i guess

I love the JGC and can deal with those two things
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+1 to mjw930's commentary above, +rep to him

Following are some of my earlier comments on the wk2 hemi oland, which for the most part are still valid. The only thing I dislike is the electronic throttle control.

http://www.jeepgarage.org/showthread.php?t=15668&highlight=short+term+review

Also check a search on Hemi or Review for the WK2, there's tons of other threads that may help you.
Thanks for the link and advice! I'll go read that now!
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Not trying to hijack, might actually help the OP: mjw930, why did you get rid of your previous vehicles in favor of the WK2? I had a 2004 Touareg V8 and absolutely loved it. What made you switch? I was going to get another one, but decided on the WK2 for the following reasons:

1. Initial purchase price. I feel the WK2 comes with features that would have pushed me to about $60k on a new VW.
2. Maintenance: It cost me a TON of cash to keep the VW in tires/brakes, etc. Everything was super expensive.

Do I feel like I gave something up? Yes, I'll admit I did. I gave up a sportier SUV, definitely gave up interior refinement (buttons on WK2 are cheap), and some slightly better driving characteristics.

But overall I'm happy with my purchase. My WK2 will save me a lot of $$ and is the closest American-made competition. Very nice vehicle.

This might not matter to most, but I also don't like being too flashy. I have my own consulting business, and pulling up to client site in a $60-70k vehicle can be a mixed bag. Some think you are successful and know what you're doing, others think you must be charging them too much. I try to be careful in this regard, and I don't think a Jeep stands out too much.

-Ryan
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I understand about not being too flashy, especially in your business, but I didn't buy the X5 too impress anyone but myself. It's just a blast to drive! Besides, they don't know if you're a successful invester or good at your job or both. I think that you made a good choice with the Jeep! It's classy, yet not overly flashy!


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The Cayenne went away because we built a house and I needed the cash AND because I would NEVER EVER own a Cayenne (or Touareg for that matter) outside of warranty (naked, as they say on the Porsche forums). The Trailblazer was it's replacement and I kept that for 3 years. At the time it was the only SUV outside the Porsche/VW/Audi triplets that could tow my 6000lb boat that had some semblance of sportiness (gotta love the LS2) and was under $40K (got $9K off MSRP with supplier discount and incentives). During the last year with the SS I was on the lookout for a clean, used 2008 or newer Touareg V8 with 4 corner air suspension based on my previous Cayenne ownership assuming it was pretty much the same vehicle with a different engine and slightly different suspension tuning. The Trailblazers biggest flaw is it's handling and road manners. It's basically a body on frame truck and it drives like one. When a 2008 VW V8 showed up I jumped on it and sold the Trailblazer.

While the VW is a great vehicle it was a letdown for me. It was significantly better than the Trailblazer but for some reason it just left me flat. I had followed the development of the WK2 and when they became available I test drove a few. Since I typically drove home in the Touareg I had a good back to back comparison and eventually decided I like the WK2 Overland better than my '08 VW. I cross shopped the new VW but at $18K more for the same equipment and the lack of air suspension in US models for the 2011 model year I just couldn't justify it.

Luckily I was able to sell the VW to a gentleman from Canada without losing too much and placed my order for the WK2 in late December and should have it in a couple weeks based on the last tracking data. I hope my decision was a good one but I'm confident it was.
Good info! Thanks for the post and your thoughts! They make me think (and my wife says that's something that I should do more )!


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I concur with what mjw930 stated. He covered it very well, and I can testify that having had my Grand Cherokee for almost 3months and thousands of miles and in no area does it leave me wanting short of maybe another 100hp on occasion.
That's the kind of advice that I like to hear! Thanks!

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I'm trying to decide if I want to upgrade to an SRT model when it comes out, or pull the trigger on one of the new Mustang GT Convertibles for summer fun. For $8k you can put in a 620+ HP supercharger in the Mustang from Ford Racing. Hard to argue with that kind of performance for $45k (ish).

I'm still yearning for some sick power.

I wonder when we'll see the SRT WK2

-Ryan
Having come from Corvette's, it doesn't matter how good of a deal the new Mustang is, I couldn't do it! The 2011 Mustang's are Nice cars, but like I said, I couldn't do it! Now, next year Chevy is bringing the Z28 back with the LSA (556hp CTS-V motor) and I might look into that! Here's a good smilie for Ford vs. Chevy
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Sounds like you need more than one vehicle

IMHO if you are looking for performance / speed and don't need to haul or tow anything than buying something like an SRT Grand Cherokee is kind of foolish. The new Mustang is hard to beat from a sheer performance standpoint.
Mainly thought the only things that those two are designed to haul though is AZZ!

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Nope, the Corvette specifically the Z06 is the ultimate bang for the buck :-) Supercar performance for the same price as an Overland...Well a used Z06 anyway. But anyway maybe the new SRT8 will be the perfect car for this guy. He obviously likes SUV's and the GC SRT8 is absolutely a blast to drive. I had a 08 SRT and loved that thing except the fuel economy was absolutely horrendous. I sold it for that reason lol.
I agree with the Z06 being the biggest bang for the buck (as long as we're talking about the C6 Z06 and not the C5, which is also a VERY capable track car. I know because I had a 600+ rwhp C5 that was pretty darned quick). I like the SRT's, but they're worse on gas than my X5 and while driving them is fun, paying at the pump isn't! It sounds like you understand what I mean! Thanks for your post!
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Nope, the Corvette specifically the Z06 is the ultimate bang for the buck :-) Supercar performance for the same price as an Overland...Well a used Z06 anyway. But anyway maybe the new SRT8 will be the perfect car for this guy. He obviously likes SUV's and the GC SRT8 is absolutely a blast to drive. I had a 08 SRT and loved that thing except the fuel economy was absolutely horrendous. I sold it for that reason lol.
Well, I think I might get a summer vehicle. I rented a stock convertible Corvette in Vegas and LOVED it. I don't need much more fun/power than that. A buddy has the new 5.0 Liter Mustang and I really enjoyed driving that too...

I do, however, really want a convertible....and (unless I'm mistaken) the higher end Corvettes aren't available as a soft top (which may not matter if I take the "regular" one).

Also, I kind of liked the idea of a 4-seater so I could actually take the kids with me. I know a guy with a Viper and he makes his wife drive a second car with the kids in it when they need to go somewhere as a family and he wants to drive the Viper. LOL. I think I'd end up divorced.

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As a comparison between Mustangs and Camaros (the new ones) I drove back to back GT vs SS (2 of my friends each have one).

I could not buy the Camaro. It sits way too low and visibility is piss poor. I would be nervous driving it. I wanted to love that car and walked away very bummed out.

Put that 620+ hp supercharger in your Mustang GT for $8k and see if you can get better bang for the buck in a new vehicle that's also refined enough to drive to church on Sundays

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Well, I think I might get a summer vehicle. I rented a stock convertible Corvette in Vegas and LOVED it. I don't need much more fun/power than that. A buddy has the new 5.0 Liter Mustang and I really enjoyed driving that too...

I do, however, really want a convertible....and (unless I'm mistaken) the higher end Corvettes aren't available as a soft top (which may not matter if I take the "regular" one).

Also, I kind of liked the idea of a 4-seater so I could actually take the kids with me. I know a guy with a Viper and he makes his wife drive a second car with the kids in it when they need to go somewhere as a family and he wants to drive the Viper. LOL. I think I'd end up divorced.

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You really cant go wring with the C6 Corvettes. I have actually owned 2 of them my first one was a 2005 coupe Z51 package in 6spd manual. Then I ended up with a 2006 Z06 and the only word to describe that beats is insane! You are correct the Z06 and ZR1 only come in hardtop. However is the extra power of those two models doesnt do much for you dont forget about the new Gran Sport which basically looks like a Z06 but is available in convertible oe targa. It has the LS3 motor in it.

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I'm trying to decide if I want to upgrade to an SRT model when it comes out, or pull the trigger on one of the new Mustang GT Convertibles for summer fun. For $8k you can put in a 620+ HP supercharger in the Mustang from Ford Racing. Hard to argue with that kind of performance for $45k (ish).

I'm still yearning for some sick power.

I wonder when we'll see the SRT WK2

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-soft date for unveiling is NY Auto Show in April
-Ordering opening around 1st/2nd week of June
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-soft date for unveiling is NY Auto Show in April
-Ordering opening around 1st/2nd week of June
-Production start around July 18
-Arriving at dealers approximately 1st week of Sept.
Any idea as to how much they'll cost?
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Any idea as to how much they'll cost?
$50K+ is my guess unless it's decontented from the Overland. They could build up from a Limited base but I doubt they will.
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The hemi is not really fast, worse it doesn't even feel fast but it does feel solid and smooth. For the price compared to a fully optioned '11 x5 you could easily by a second car that would be faster then the x5. New fully optioned x5 is about 80k, assuming you paid 45k for a hemi overland you would be only about 10k shy of a '09 low miles CTS-V.

And have two vehicles that are much better at their intended purpose.
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The hemi is not really fast, worse it doesn't even feel fast but it does feel solid and smooth. For the price compared to a fully optioned '11 x5 you could easily by a second car that would be faster then the x5. New fully optioned x5 is about 80k, assuming you paid 45k for a hemi overland you would be only about 10k shy of a '09 low miles CTS-V.

And have two vehicles that are much better at their intended purpose.
(And this from a bimmer-phile ... well actually a bimmer/jeep-phile)
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The hemi is not really fast, worse it doesn't even feel fast but it does feel solid and smooth. For the price compared to a fully optioned '11 x5 you could easily by a second car that would be faster then the x5. New fully optioned x5 is about 80k, assuming you paid 45k for a hemi overland you would be only about 10k shy of a '09 low miles CTS-V.

And have two vehicles that are much better at their intended purpose.
Man I kinda disagree with you about the Hemi. Your right it does feel solid and smooth, but I personally think it does infact feel relatively fast. The throttle response is excellent especially at midrange cruising and I think it pulls pretty damn hard for a heavy SUV. Obviously there are quicker SUV's like the much more expensive ones, but I think it feels quick. And this is coming from a person who is into fast cars as my other car is a 505hp C6 Z06 vette. Unless you drive something faster than a C6 Z then I would think my opinion about fast is pretty reasonable. I have also owned a 2008 Jeep SRT8 so I know what a quick SUV feels like to. Ah well whatever I guess its still just personal opinion, but to me the Overland Hemi moves pretty nicely :-)
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I have no complaints, I didn't expect SRT performance. To me it just doesn't have that seat of your pants feeling. I also didn't buy it for that purpose, I wanted a luxury midsized suv and frankly prefer its interior/exterior design to any others out there at the moment. The fact that its a Detroit product was just a bonus. I've been pleasantly surprised by it and the Cadillac I picked up this year.
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