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My Dilemma...............

Hi Guys!

I'm new to this forum and I'm kind of having trouble deciding on getting a New Overland.

We have a 2007 BMW X5 4.8i that is loaded with all of the options that I would trade in, if we decided to get a Grand Cherokee. I really like the Jeep, but don't know if I'd like it better than our X5.

I've driven a V6 JGC and wouldn't even consider that after being used to our V8 X5. The dealer didn't have a hemi to drive, but I've read good things about them and am waiting to drive one. I'm a firm believer that I'd rather have the power and not need it, than need it and not have it!

For you Guys that have a WK2 already, can you Please give me some plusses or minuses that might help me with my problem?

Thanks in advance for any advice! I could Really use it!
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Old 01-31-2011, 02:58 AM
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Re: My Dilemma...............

hmm, a fully loaded X5... i don't know if i would switch to a GC. But anyway, coming from a BMW 4.8i, i think you don't have any choice then the Hemi or maybe, wait for the new SRT.
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Re: My Dilemma...............

I am turning in my fully loaded 4.8i for a hemi overland summit this week. There is a thread I started a while back asking the same question as you. There is a lot of helpful info in it so I would use the search function to find it. Bottom line is the jeep is very good on the road w/ hemi, but not as good as the x5. The jeep is better in the snow and off road. I am very excited for my new jeep and will not be upset turning in my x5. Keep in mind that the x5 will be expensive to upkeep once the warrantee is up.
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Re: My Dilemma...............

I feel that the Overland is very nice looking, luxurious, and has a very capable 4 wheel drive system that is reasonbly priced. However until Jeep completely fixes the "Shudder" problem that is present I can't justify spending 45,000 dollars on an Overland.
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Hi Guys!

I'm new to this forum and I'm kind of having trouble deciding on getting a New Overland.

We have a 2007 BMW X5 4.8i that is loaded with all of the options that I would trade in, if we decided to get a Grand Cherokee. I really like the Jeep, but don't know if I'd like it better than our X5.

I've driven a V6 JGC and wouldn't even consider that after being used to our V8 X5. The dealer didn't have a hemi to drive, but I've read good things about them and am waiting to drive one. I'm a firm believer that I'd rather have the power and not need it, than need it and not have it!

For you Guys that have a WK2 already, can you Please give me some plusses or minuses that might help me with my problem?

Thanks in advance for any advice! I could Really use it!
Having come for the following vehicles over the past 5 years hopefully my observations can be of some help.

2004 Cayenne twin turbo
2007 Trailblazer SS
2008 Touareg V8 "Luxury Plus + 4 corner Air"

The JGC Overland 4X4 V8 lacks the "oh my god" thrust capabilities of the top end SUV's and being a HP junkie, like I am, you'll miss that initially. That will fade fairly quickly as long as the replacement vehicle has enough thrust to satisfy the occasional spurts of power we have become accustomed to. The V8 provides that adequately in the JGC though it's obvious there's a lot more capability there once Jeep decides to unleash it.

The ride quality will actually surprise you. Jeep engineers, with the help of Mercedes (sorry if that's a dirty word here) have been able to dial in a ton of compliance without sacrificing road dynamics. I find the ride of the JGC to be much more luxurious than any of the 3 vehicles I listed above while not being sloppy or giving up all that much in the handling department. No, it's not a Cayenne but it's also more than half the price of the twin turbo!

The interior is a mixed bag. By American SUV standards I think it's unmatched, nothing currently comes close, not even the Cadillac SRX. By European standards it's mid pack. Certainly not a slam on the JGC, just an observation. However, it's ergonomics are excellent. The ONLY thing that it loses points on, in my book, is the tactile feel which is a direct result of the materials used and the layout of things like the center console, the way the seats "hover" above the floor and things like that. the European's enclose or wrap things tighter so things like gaps between the seats and the console and the floor are filled giving the interior more of a "carved from one piece of metal" look and feel. It's subjective so YMMV

As for holding off because of problems reported in the Internet, that's a call you need to make. I was an early adopter of the Cayenne so I'm a bit jaded. The problems reported here are child's play compared to what we went through while Porsche AG sorted out that beast! Nothing I've read here gives me pause but I've been buying and selling vehicles for 35 years so unless it blows up in my garage I can deal with whatever it throws me.
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Old 01-31-2011, 08:56 AM
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Re: My Dilemma...............

I am a Porsche guy, German engineering J, the only two things i don’t like are:

1. Very soft steering power assist would be better
2. The pedals re too close to the floor, big feet i guess

I love the JGC and can deal with those two things
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Re: My Dilemma...............

+1 to mjw930's commentary above, +rep to him

Following are some of my earlier comments on the wk2 hemi oland, which for the most part are still valid. The only thing I dislike is the electronic throttle control.

Short-Term Review 2011 JGC

Also check a search on Hemi or Review for the WK2, there's tons of other threads that may help you.
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Re: My Dilemma...............

Not trying to hijack, might actually help the OP: mjw930, why did you get rid of your previous vehicles in favor of the WK2? I had a 2004 Touareg V8 and absolutely loved it. What made you switch? I was going to get another one, but decided on the WK2 for the following reasons:

1. Initial purchase price. I feel the WK2 comes with features that would have pushed me to about $60k on a new VW.
2. Maintenance: It cost me a TON of cash to keep the VW in tires/brakes, etc. Everything was super expensive.

Do I feel like I gave something up? Yes, I'll admit I did. I gave up a sportier SUV, definitely gave up interior refinement (buttons on WK2 are cheap), and some slightly better driving characteristics.

But overall I'm happy with my purchase. My WK2 will save me a lot of $$ and is the closest American-made competition. Very nice vehicle.

This might not matter to most, but I also don't like being too flashy. I have my own consulting business, and pulling up to client site in a $60-70k vehicle can be a mixed bag. Some think you are successful and know what you're doing, others think you must be charging them too much. I try to be careful in this regard, and I don't think a Jeep stands out too much.

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Not trying to hijack, might actually help the OP: mjw930, why did you get rid of your previous vehicles in favor of the WK2? I had a 2004 Touareg V8 and absolutely loved it. What made you switch? I was going to get another one, but decided on the WK2 for the following reasons:

1. Initial purchase price. I feel the WK2 comes with features that would have pushed me to about $60k on a new VW.
2. Maintenance: It cost me a TON of cash to keep the VW in tires/brakes, etc. Everything was super expensive.

Do I feel like I gave something up? Yes, I'll admit I did. I gave up a sportier SUV, definitely gave up interior refinement (buttons on WK2 are cheap), and some slightly better driving characteristics.

But overall I'm happy with my purchase. My WK2 will save me a lot of $$ and is the closest American-made competition. Very nice vehicle.

This might not matter to most, but I also don't like being too flashy. I have my own consulting business, and pulling up to client site in a $60-70k vehicle can be a mixed bag. Some think you are successful and know what you're doing, others think you must be charging them too much. I try to be careful in this regard, and I don't think a Jeep stands out too much.

-Ryan
The Cayenne went away because we built a house and I needed the cash AND because I would NEVER EVER own a Cayenne (or Touareg for that matter) outside of warranty (naked, as they say on the Porsche forums). The Trailblazer was it's replacement and I kept that for 3 years. At the time it was the only SUV outside the Porsche/VW/Audi triplets that could tow my 6000lb boat that had some semblance of sportiness (gotta love the LS2) and was under $40K (got $9K off MSRP with supplier discount and incentives). During the last year with the SS I was on the lookout for a clean, used 2008 or newer Touareg V8 with 4 corner air suspension based on my previous Cayenne ownership assuming it was pretty much the same vehicle with a different engine and slightly different suspension tuning. The Trailblazers biggest flaw is it's handling and road manners. It's basically a body on frame truck and it drives like one. When a 2008 VW V8 showed up I jumped on it and sold the Trailblazer.

While the VW is a great vehicle it was a letdown for me. It was significantly better than the Trailblazer but for some reason it just left me flat. I had followed the development of the WK2 and when they became available I test drove a few. Since I typically drove home in the Touareg I had a good back to back comparison and eventually decided I like the WK2 Overland better than my '08 VW. I cross shopped the new VW but at $18K more for the same equipment and the lack of air suspension in US models for the 2011 model year I just couldn't justify it.

Luckily I was able to sell the VW to a gentleman from Canada without losing too much and placed my order for the WK2 in late December and should have it in a couple weeks based on the last tracking data. I hope my decision was a good one but I'm confident it was.
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Re: My Dilemma...............

I concur with what mjw930 stated. He covered it very well, and I can testify that having had my Grand Cherokee for almost 3months and thousands of miles and in no area does it leave me wanting short of maybe another 100hp on occasion.
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I'm trying to decide if I want to upgrade to an SRT model when it comes out, or pull the trigger on one of the new Mustang GT Convertibles for summer fun. For $8k you can put in a 620+ HP supercharger in the Mustang from Ford Racing. Hard to argue with that kind of performance for $45k (ish).

I'm still yearning for some sick power.

I wonder when we'll see the SRT WK2

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I'm trying to decide if I want to upgrade to an SRT model when it comes out, or pull the trigger on one of the new Mustang GT Convertibles for summer fun. For $8k you can put in a 620+ HP supercharger in the Mustang from Ford Racing. Hard to argue with that kind of performance for $45k (ish).

I'm still yearning for some sick power.

I wonder when we'll see the SRT WK2

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Sounds like you need more than one vehicle

IMHO if you are looking for performance / speed and don't need to haul or tow anything than buying something like an SRT Grand Cherokee is kind of foolish. The new Mustang is hard to beat from a sheer performance standpoint.
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