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Re: My early impressions

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To get it in neutral just put the transfer case in neutral like you're going to flat tow it.
Yep, I should have thought of that.
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Old 01-29-2011, 11:34 PM
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Re: Day three stuff

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Today I had planned to remove the air dam and try some of our primitive roads. About all the book says is that you need to remove the seven 1/4 turn fasteners. Sounds pretty trivial, I figured about 2 or 3 minutes. The fasteners did come off in a straight-forward way but the air dam was still firmly attached.

Considerable jiggling and shaking followed. Everything is pretty flexible so the dam and the bumper cover were both jiggling a lot but staying firmly attached to each other. I couldn't find a hint anywhere in what direction things should be coaxed to get separation. It turns out there are many different tabs and slots and most of them lock together. The ends of the dam need to be pulled forward and the rest of the air dam needs to be pulled up and forward as the tabs on the front of the air dam are pointing down at about 45 degrees. Quite a bit of force is necessary.

A ran several errands with the air dam off, glancing at the front of the car when I was out of it to see how things look. Things don't look great, especially the inner fender insulation that just hangs down below everything else.

I decided I would put the thing back on. This is considerably more difficult and a lot of light is necessary to get things lined up. All those tabs in the front have to be bent up with a screwdriver (at least that is what I came up with) to get them to go in the slots. A good fist bang seemed to be necessary to get the locking portion to go in.The slots are long so you can get all the tabs in and the fasteners won't go until you bang things back and forth. The fasteners aren't too bad along the front because you can see them, the ones in the fender wells are more challenging.

The whole deal took about 10 times longer than expected and kind of put me off the idea of doing it routinely although now that I know how it works it should be a lot easier.

Things are really flexible down there, especially in front of the tires and I wonder how important it is to actually remove it. It may be more to improve the approach angle figures than to actually help. It looks like it would flex over the odd rock that it might hit.

During all this I also installed the Lockpick. The installation and firmware update went pretty easily and the tip to start the trim removal at the bottom with the cubby door open was very useful.

The Lockpick works with the 430N as reported. The speed on the GPS does not display. Although I'm not interested in the feature I was not able to get the back-up camera to turn on while in forward motion. The instructions to double punch the Uconnect button activates the Uconnect. I also tried double punching the on/off knob because in some of the instructions that activates functions but for me it just turned the unit off. Everything else works as advertised.

Now I'm starting to look at how to remove the headliner for antenna installation. I sure wish the service manual was available.


Yeah, I know, someone is going to ask for pictures of the air dam removal and vehicle with it off. I would have done that if I would have known that the procedure wouldn't be that easy. For right now, I'm kind of disinclined to take it all apart again.
I think I had read something about hitting the button 3 times, try it and see if it helps for the camera.
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Re: My early impressions

First, great pictures and write up. Second, why not use a magnet mount? I have used a Diamond magnetic mount for 15+ years with a NR 770 VHF/UHF antenna. I have a Yaesu FT 8800, the head is in the compartment in front of the shift lever and the body is in the spare wheel well with a VHF/UHF 150 watt amp...... works great. When I go through a car wash I unscrew the antenna, screw the cap on and have no problems. Give it a try, you might like.....a lot better than drilling holes in the roof. 73, KB8RF
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Re: My early impressions

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To get it in neutral just put the transfer case in neutral like you're going to flat tow it.
I reviewed the procedure for getting the transfer case in neutral and found one of the first steps is to put the shifter in neutral with the engine off. Well no reason to go further than this. All you have to do is take the start button out, put the fob in and turn to run. Works just like the old days.

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I think I had read something about hitting the button 3 times, try it and see if it helps for the camera.
I tried getting the backup camera on again today and it worked with just two presses. Kind of flaky though. I didn't spend the time trying to figure out what is repeatable.

I played around today with some of the voice commands. I really think these are not worth it, but it can be fun to say "E Street" and have the channel change to Springsteen if you are showing the systems off to someone.

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First, great pictures and write up. Second, why not use a magnet mount? I have used a Diamond magnetic mount for 15+ years with a NR 770 VHF/UHF antenna. I have a Yaesu FT 8800, the head is in the compartment in front of the shift lever and the body is in the spare wheel well with a VHF/UHF 150 watt amp...... works great. When I go through a car wash I unscrew the antenna, screw the cap on and have no problems. Give it a try, you might like.....a lot better than drilling holes in the roof. 73, KB8RF
I have used mag mounts quite a bit over the years for use of temporary antennas. I just prefer the aesthetics of no visible cable mounting, inside and outside the vehicle. I first drilled a hole in the roof of a new car in 1972 and have being doing it since. I keep the cars about 10 years and have not noticed the slightest effect on re-sale value.

How did you get the control cable into the cubby?

I did my first fuel-up today at 438 miles. The fuel low warning light came on at 45 DTE and the chime came on right before I pulled into the station. I put in 22 gallons so still had a couple of gallons left with the gauge right on empty. The display showed 22.1 MPG (about half highway and half city) and the mileage calculated out at 19.8 which is doubtful because I don't know how much fuel I had at delivery. The gauge reads higher now than it did when I got the car.
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Old 01-30-2011, 08:59 PM
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Re: My early impressions

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I have used mag mounts quite a bit over the years for use of temporary antennas. I just prefer the aesthetics of no visible cable mounting, inside and outside the vehicle. I first drilled a hole in the roof of a new car in 1972 and have being doing it since. I keep the cars about 10 years and have not noticed the slightest effect on re-sale value.

How did you get the control cable into the cubby?

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First car I drilled was 1960 Dodge Phoenix, was new, 113 inch fiberglass whip for 10 mtr. AM. Drilled many holes in many cars from the time of first license KN8QLR fall 1958. Just found it easier to use mag mount. Coax runs inside hatch, form a drip loop at bottom and in along molding, totally out of sight. Popped bezel off around Media Center and Hvac controls, like for installing Lock Pick. Control Cable under carpet, under center console up back of cubby, small opening in back of cubby to control head. Used expanding foam to mount head unit far enough back to close door and high enough to put mike in and close door when not in use. Was at it about 2 and a half hours to make it look good. Good luck drilling holes...73 Joe
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Re: My early impressions

Joe, ever use a bumper whip for HF? Can't recall the last time I saw one of those!
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Old 01-31-2011, 08:01 AM
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Re: My early impressions

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Joe, ever use a bumper whip for HF? Can't recall the last time I saw one of those!
Had a webster bandspanner on my 70 Dodge. That was a great all band HF antenna. It was on a bumper mount with a 4 foot mast......had to watch for low tree limbs.
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Cold weather

Ok, now I appreciate why some people post such low mileage numbers from cold country. Shortly after my first fill-up we got the coldest weather in decades in SE New Mexico. The lows were a bit below zero and the highs around 15 or so with several inches of snow. I did remote starts but with short warm-ups of 3 minutes or so. Even so my mileage was running only around 14 or so MPG.

Today it is warmer and I did some highway driving of about 180 miles and got the mileage up to 21 for this tank so far.

The Garmin GPS is really growing on me. It is by far the best OEM system I have seen. My other vehicle is a 1995 Acura and the Garmin is way way better. The routing is much smarter and it is has more advanced capabilities such as being able to route to a GPS coordinate or a point on a map. It is amusing to refer to the book though as half of the stuff in there is just not present at this time.

There a couple of things I'm not crazy about. The glossy black plastic trim (wood for some of you folks) over the glove box reflects the sky which can be very distracting when driving by trees or something that interrupts that reflection. There is a flashing effect. The other thing is the seat. It is kind of like I'm sitting on it rather than in it. No real comfort issues but it isn't like it is holding me in a certain position.

This is an awesome highway cruiser. Still haven't gotten out on the trails yet, but now that it is dirty there isn't anything holding me back.
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I'm starting to bond

Today I got a chance to get out on some of our local dirt roads. I went to a few specific spots that I have not been able to get by before.





These spots are mostly steep and loose with grapefruit size to head size rocks. It is very interesting to feel the individual tires lose traction only to feel the torque being rerouted accompanied by sort of disturbing noises. Slip grab, slip grab and move ahead.




I am now very satisfied that this vehicle will take me where I want to go on our mountain roads, which is what I am interested in. If I wanted to do the ultimate rough stuff I would have gotten something else.

I considered the hill descent pretty superfluous. Who can't control speed with the brakes going downhill. I must admit that it is quite entertaining though. When you set it on the lowest speed you are really creeping which does allow you to concentrate on steering. Again, this mode is accompanied by various disturbing noises.




The street tires seem fine for my use in the rocks, the next question is how are they in mud, which is where I have had my scariest episodes of getting stuck.

It is incredible to me that a vehicle that is so composed on the highway and at speed and in wind and on washboard roads and that is so heavy can move around so agilely in the rocks. It can also do a nice tight turnaround.
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Excellent thread mate. I'm glad it's met your expectations!
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Re: My early impressions

It is a real hard thing that has to be done. You have this shiny new vehicle but you are going to use it on primitive grown-over roads. Last weekend I took it out to a few different places to break in the paint and get more of a feel what it can do.

One of the places was a road that has been pretty much abandoned that has many wash-outs. The Jeep had no problems on the way out. There was a group of about 5 4-wheelers that pulled over for me. I noticed that they were very interested in my progress.

On the way back I passed them again. When I was just about back to pavement I decided to take a different route than the one I came in on. About 40 yards in on this route I came to a substantial ledge that had a sinkhole just to the left of the track and an embankment just to the right. I tried the right route first and couldn't make it over the ledge. I decided to just back-up and take the way I came in. As I was backing I saw that the whole 4-wheeler group was just sitting there at the top of a hill watching me. Man, they are looking to me for entertainment--can't just give up. This time I tried the left route, going as far that way as I could without caving in the sinkhole. With the less abrupt ridge over there it just went right over accompanied by the clacking of the traction control and thence out to the paved road.

After this trip the Jeep looked pretty bad. I had squeezed between a bunch of catclaw and mesquite and salt cedar and there were very ugly streaks down the sides of the Jeep as well as twigs stuck in various places such as in the hood gap. I had not removed the air-dam so there were also rock smudges on the dam in front of the tires. I did feel like it would clean up OK.

Tonight I did the wand wash and it did clean up pretty well. The brush marks almost came completely out. When I was washing it I noticed some marks on a couple of the wheels and was afraid I had scuffed the paint (the tires were very smudged up by the rocks). Further examination showed that the marks were just residue from some kind of tape that had been there. So much for the dealer detailing.

I am in awe of this vehicle which is the most comfortable thing on the road of anything I have experienced and yet can entertain people with its ability in the rough.

This thing is bigger and heavier and has more fancy things than I would prefer, but it is the best thing on the market right now for my preferences.

Just over 1,000 miles on Eco (it's a green vehicle) now.
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Re: My early impressions

Sweet! Glad you are actually putting your jeep to use. I have been lurking on your thread for a while now. It has helped me decide to go with the Lardeo X Black on Black. Probably going to paint the wheels grille and other trim. thanks for taking the time to document your experiences.
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