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Re: My Experience with E85 and V6

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Two things.

First, I've never heard anyone say ethanol will give you LESS power.

Second, if someone is trying to stay away from govt subsidized things then you will never buy anything.
The energy density of ethanol is lower than that of gasoline.

With an engine well set up for ethanol, you can get some hellacious performance. Just ask any old time moonshiner about running 100% alky in the old 'shine running vehicles. Some used the Jag sedans, with their twin fuel tanks and the valve right behind the driver's seat. If the revenuers got on your tail, open the valve to the other tank and burn off the evidence.

In a modern engine, there is a loss of net energy, aka more mileage. I honestly don't know if on the V6 power itself is affected, where if the engine were designed for it, the power could actually go up.

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Re: My Experience with E85 and V6

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Re: My Experience with E85 and V6

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I'm in western WI and E85 (where you can find it) at best is $0.25-0.30 a gallon cheaper.

It not only delivers poorer fuel economy, it also reduces engine power.

Frankly, I wouldn't burn that crap in my vehicle if I could get it for free. It's one of the biggest jokes ever foisted on the American public.

I'm also going to add...

Whenever I go to the Milwaukee area, I never buy fuel east of Johnson Creek due to the reformulated gas policy you guys have.
its only 50 cents cheaper per gallon here in Houston... so it sounds like we should never use E85.
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Re: My Experience with E85 and V6

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its only 50 cents cheaper per gallon here in Houston... so it sounds like we should never use E85.

In my example:
So per mile cost @$3.69/gal for E10 is 16.1 cents

if E85 was only $0.50 cheaper with the same loss of 4 mpg average
per mile cost @3.19/gal for E85 is 16.8 cents <-- Not a good idea

Break even is ~$0.70 cheaper otherwise it is a bad idea just based on price alone, never mind if there are any other side effects.

I didn't notice any in day to day driving, I wouldn't know the difference as to what is in the tank E10 or E85......
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Ethanol will get you less mpg's, but costs less, that's the compromise. Everyone knows that.

Ethanol hadt a lower ignition temperature, thus engine runs cooler and burns slower giving a more even piston stroke, more power.
Actually ethanol is part of why fuel prices have risen.
You husker fans hain't growin' enough corn to satisfy the cattle, moonshiners, cob eaters, and gasohol.
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The next time you're at your dealer, walk the new car lot and look for a sticker on the windshield explaining what you can expect to see mileage/power wise when burning regular vs E85. A few years ago the only place you'd find this info was buried in the small print footnotes of a brochure.

If you don't tow you may not notice the drop in power. Ask anyone who does who've tried E85.
E85 has a higher hp rating in most flex fuel vehicles. Ford actually publishes different numbers for E85 and gas, generally it is a 10 to 15 hp gain because of the added timing you can throw at it. The last time I put E85 in my wife's jeep I did it without her knowing and she told me it felt like it had more power, that's good enough for me.
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Ethanol will get you less mpg's, but costs less, that's the compromise. Everyone knows that.

Ethanol hadt a lower ignition temperature, thus engine runs cooler and burns slower giving a more even piston stroke, more power.
Around our part of the world they burn rainforests to grow oil palms to make ethanol so that the Greenies can feel good about themselves not using as much gasoline.
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Actually ethanol is part of why fuel prices have risen.
You husker fans hain't growin' enough corn to satisfy the cattle, moonshiners, cob eaters, and gasohol.
That's the first time I have heard of someone blaming farmers for high gas prices. It makes no sense.
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That's the first time I have heard of someone blaming farmers for high gas prices. It makes no sense.
Just like blaming Obama for the raise in ammo prices, it is all just excuses. Nevermind the fact that most ethanol is made from corn waste, stalks, corn unfit for human or animal consumption, etc.
Gasohol is methanol and gasoline, not ethanol.
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E85 has a higher hp rating in most flex fuel vehicles. Ford actually publishes different numbers for E85 and gas, generally it is a 10 to 15 hp gain because of the added timing you can throw at it. The last time I put E85 in my wife's jeep I did it without her knowing and she told me it felt like it had more power, that's good enough for me.

Sorry, but until you can show me that E85 produces those HP increases on any Jeep engine without mods or tuning I won't believe it.

I know several people who tow and haul with Ford, Chevy and Ram gas trucks who've tried using E85 and they've all told me that there is a noticeable loss of felt power along with poorer fuel economy. Not a one of them said they'd ever burn it again... even when not towing.
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Sorry, but until you can show me that E85 produces those HP increases on any Jeep engine without mods or tuning I won't believe it.

I know several people who tow and haul with Ford, Chevy and Ram gas trucks who've tried using E85 and they've all told me that there is a noticeable loss of felt power along with poorer fuel economy. Not a one of them said they'd ever burn it again... even when not towing.
Jeep, Ram, and chevy don't release different numbers, Ford is the only one that does. The numbers don't lie.
Ford F150 5.0 goes from 360 hp to 375 hp.
GM 5.3 from 355 hp to 380 hp.
If jeep published numbers I would show them, unless we want to get a pool together and send someone to the dyno to test it.
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Jeep, Ram, and chevy don't release different numbers, Ford is the only one that does. The numbers don't lie.

Yeah, and the EPA numbers never lie either.

Show me the Jeep numbers.

I came back to add something...

Here's a "real world" test. Based on the results there's little incentive to burn E85.

http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/...ison-test.html
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