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Re: My Jeep almost killed me today?

I LOVE the FCW. Yes it has its flaws and you have to learn how it works and possibly even adjust your driving style, but man is it worth it.

Just last night I was driving down a 45mph road in the middle lane. I had a car in front of me and he had one in front of him. As we approached an intersection the first car decided that he wanted to make a left turn from the center lane. Rather than just cutting across three lanes of the road (which is dangerous and stupid enough), he slams on his brakes and comes to a complete stop while the light is green. Sure enough the car behind him locked up his brakes and before I could even react the jeep has activated emergency braking and slowed me down before I had even put my foot on the brake.

The FCW 100% saved me from a rear ending the guy in front of me. So yes, while it can be a pain in the ass I will deal with its flaws if it saves me 5 figure repair bills and the headaches that come along with an accident

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Old 04-25-2016, 01:06 AM
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Re: My Jeep almost killed me today?

My feeling is the object is locked onto, and the lock doesn't seem to get broken very quickly. When I am using the ACC and the car in front of me is going much faster than the car in front of him then swerves, I find myself approaching a potentially stopped car at an extreme rate. I always react to this situation long before the ACC does. This is truly a first generation ACC /w stop and first generation Collision Avoidance system. As far as the situation where the FCA system causes braking when it doesn't need to, I feel those situations, so far, are my fault. What if that car at the last minute decides to swerve back in front of you and decides not to take the turn; at that point you would be happy the FCA system preformed that way. So when this has happened I have felt I was predicting too much what the car in front of me was doing. I should have not been approaching that turning car at that rate of speed to begin with. It has happened to me several times; those times, I felt as though I was driving poorly and needed to drive slower and more defensively.

I am worried much more about the car I can't see that is stopped in front of the quickly approaching car that is in front of me. I know the advanced systems in Mercedes seek to see further down the road than the next car. Before there are driverless cars, these systems have to always be better than a person driving.
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Re: My Jeep almost killed me today?

i wonder... if people that disable all the auto-safety features get into an accident that MAY have been prevented or mitigated by one of the features, will the victim's insurance company use that to point to fault? interesting to think on. i'm sure it's only a matter of time.
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Re: My Jeep almost killed me today?

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i wonder... if people that disable all the auto-safety features get into an accident that MAY have been prevented or mitigated by one of the features, will the victim's insurance company use that to point to fault? interesting to think on. i'm sure it's only a matter of time.

Don't think there is a chance in hell. Although the feature is on the jeep it's not required by the government. If they had a company that issued testing and measurements and scores that proved them to be 100% efficient or close to it hen I could see it. But otherwise it's a beta technology as of now. The same would go for me driving and it causing a crash, could I hold FCA accountable for my loss of value for having a wrecked vehicle?


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Re: My Jeep almost killed me today?

It's not a bad question. Failure to use seatbelts is now frequently used as a factor in litigation and insurance claims. And that's a failure to do something (albeit, admittedly, something that is required by law). Taking the affirmative step of disabling a "safety device" will very likely be characterized similarly in similar situations by those with something to gain from the argument (e.g., insurance companies and plaintiffs' lawyers).
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Re: My Jeep almost killed me today?

In most, if not all, states, by definition, if you hit the car in front of you, it is your fault. So, whether you have FCA turned on or off, it's your fault. If you are going through a green light and you T-Bone someone going through a red light, there is no way they wouldn't find the person going through the red light at fault even if you have turned off the FCA system. Also, the first generation FCA systems are great when the traffic in front of you comes to an abrupt stop, but, in the T-Bone situation, not so much; they can't react quickly enough. First gen FCA Systems don't check for forward cross traffic.

If your FCA system stops your car for no reason and someone hits you from behind, the person behind was driving too close and will be at fault. So, if you hit someone that abruptly stops, the burden of proof is on you to prove they intentionally tried to have an accident. Otherwise, you're at fault. Edit: Exceptions might include the car in front not having working brake lights.

The NTSB for more than 3 years has said the Government should require FCA systems on all cars and trucks. Currently, there is no requirement and no requirement planned. With the advance of self driving cars this issue may become irrelevant before any specific requirement happens. The framework under which Self Driving Cars will operate has to be organized by the government. This will create yet another bureaucracy. As self driving cars become common place, the new regulations, I think, will trump most of the current regulations. For instance, backup cameras, wipers, and even brake lights potentially won't be needed in the future.
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Actually, the only way you're 100% not at fault in an accident is if you get hit when legally stopped at a stop sign or stop light, or if you're legally parked. In all other situations you do get a percentage of blame just for being on the road... some percentages obviously higher than others.
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Long story short was driving with the family, and a car was turning right about 150 feet ahead of me and it activated my collision warning. Well the thing is the car was out of the road way, and I was still accelerating.

I drive with my hand on the gear shift knob, as I have for the past 15 years of driving a stick. It wasn't the near collision that almost killed me, it was the fact that it stood on the brakes at such a level of aggressiveness that it literally threw my body and arm forward enough that it pushed itself in to neutral.

The car behind me almost hit me at 55 mph. I'm not mad at the car, but it appears that I won't be resting my hand on the shift knob anymore.


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Good point ... 2 x in the last 3 days mine has activated once saving me from a rear end collision and second time because I had anticipated the car in front moving off from the lights so didn't brake but the car did brake itself thinking I was about to hit the car and almost ramming my shin into the foot brake .... I guess nothing is perfect but it does save you which is what its meant to do
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Actually, the only way you're 100% not at fault in an accident is if you get hit when legally stopped at a stop sign or stop light, or if you're legally parked. In all other situations you do get a percentage of blame just for being on the road... some percentages obviously higher than others.
The Laws in Wisconsin must be different than the rest of the country. I just Googled "If someone hits a car from behind who's at fault" Every legal page pretty much repeated what I said; here's one quote:

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If someone hits you from behind, it is virtually never your fault, regardless of why you stopped. A basic rule of the road requires a vehicle to be able to stop safely if traffic is stopped ahead of it. If it cannot stop safely, the driver is not driving as safely as the person in front.
This is quoted from this website: nolo.com
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