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I'm making this thread because as time goes by I tend to forget some things and change my mind about others regarding vehicles I've owned. So, I have a 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4x4 with the 730 upgraded stereo/nav unit. I just traded in my 2008 Mercedes Benz ML 350 for it. With all the talk about how MB redesigned this vehicle, and the fact that I have owned within the last decade, 4 Fords, 2 GMC's, 4 Lexus, 2 Toyota's 1 Infinity, 1 Nissan, 2 Hondas, 1 Mercedes Benz, 1 Audi, 2 Volvo's, 2 Volkswagons, 2 BMW's, 2 Mazda's, and this is my first Jeep, I notice things. Maybe more so than others. So,

#1) There isn't a dimmer adjustment for the center console and stack displays and switch labels? I haven't found it if there is one and if you know, please post. I'm not really crazy about the green light either. I love the center gauges. The thin red needles on the steel-white looks great. I even like the "font" they used for the numbers and letters. But the green ambient lights and the green everything else is I guess what it has to be. I drove the Dodge Durango, and it has a very nice blue light everywhere the Jeep has a green one, and I have to say, I'd love to find out if they are interchangeable.

2) For these being close "cousins" of the ML,there are some big differences. Understandable of course. This is a Jeep, not an Mercedes. I think the goals are very different for each vehicle. But, the center display between the gauges is no where near as informative and interactive as the MB's. Really, other than changing it from mph display to efficiency display is mostly going to be the display for me, where as on the MB it's also connected to the nav unit. The center display will tell you what street your on, and your heading. I loved having that as then I can have the nav unit displaying music selections or whatever else. But, the new Nav system itself in the Jeep is much better than the MB's, but MB has a real person concierge service that will download directions and information for you. They can also call ahead to restaraunts and make reservations and get menu info for you to. Man am I spoiled huh? LOL! It also became another display option for your ipod or aux. So even with your ipod on, you can see what your listening to, and the nav unit can be displaying the map. Nice!

3) The sunroof when open air buffets the cabin quite a bit. Has anyone installed a wind deflector thing there and did it fix it? I also noticed the windscreen makes alot of noise when you get up to 50+ mph.

4) The window button cluster is right out of the ML, along with the center gauge cluster. In the ML if you are driving along and come upon a smelly area and need to close all the windows, you can depress and hold the ac recirculate button and it will close all the windows including the sunroof and keep the ac in recirc mode. When you hit the ac recirc button again, it returns all the windows to their position and returns the ac to whatever setting you had as well. I tried it, and the Jeep doesn't do it. Darn! I liked that feature. LOL!!

5) the Goodyear Fortera tires suck. I have the 20 inch option. 250 miles on them and I already hate how they feel, and how slow they respond.

6) My $150 hand held Tom Tom and Garmin navigation unit I bought from Best Buy has 20 voices to choose from and several color display options as well. How come we don't get any of those choices here?

All the "off the shelf" after market Alpine head units offer DSP audio settings, maybe a THX or theatre audio extension mode? In the Jeep, Nothing, not 1 choice here? Really? Why not? It would have cost nothing. They even come as standard options on current aftermarket radios, and this very version they sell as an Alpine unit has these options but not in the Jeep for some reason.

7) Has anyone noticed that during the day, while your daytime running headlights are on, when you put your turn signal on, which ever side you do turns that side headlight off? I just wonder why. It seems strange to me is all.

8) Does anyone know what the other two slots on the key fob is for? I thought I had all the options that would necessitate a key fob button, so why are they there? And couldn't they make the key fob a little smaller then?

9) Mercedes Benz's auto windshield wiper system is much better also. This may get better in time, but the other day I was sitting at a light with moderate rain, and the auto system would jump from 1 cycle every 20 seconds or so to full speed cycles for 10 or 15 seconds, then go to a slightly slower speed, then return to the 20 second interval for nothing. It may be because the body ecus haven't accrued enough data and the rain sensor is still new? We'll see, but the MB's was almost reading your mind. just when you thought it needed to, it would, everytime. And it always seemed to be the right speed for the amount of rain.

On this subject, does anyone know if where you put the selector in the delay section changes the auto mode timing? Like if you move the stalk selector to the first delay windshield wiper notch, is that a slower "auto" cycle than if you moved it another notch up? Or it' doesn't matter, it's full auto or nothing?

10) I still also think that MB has the best cruise control of all the mfgrs. While this does have cruise control, buttons just don't offer the feel feedback of a lever. And it's so intuitive, you never have to look at how to operate it and adjust it in light traffic. I could literally drive the ML in some pretty heavy traffic and never use the gas or brake pedal. The cruise in the Jeep really is for just open single speed set driving.

So I'll stop there for now. I want to clarify though that I do like this Jeep. I'm not tearing it down, I'm just making some comparisons and observations.
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sounds like you should see if you can get your 2008 Mercedes Benz ML 350 back, or move on to car number 48 - r.i.p. wk2!!
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I'm making this thread because as time goes by I tend to forget some things and change my mind about others regarding vehicles I've owned. So, I have a 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4x4 with the 730 upgraded stereo/nav unit. I just traded in my 2008 Mercedes Benz ML 350 for it. With all the talk about how MB redesigned this vehicle, and the fact that I have owned within the last decade, 4 Fords, 2 GMC's, 4 Lexus, 2 Toyota's 1 Infinity, 1 Nissan, 2 Hondas, 1 Mercedes Benz, 1 Audi, 2 Volvo's, 2 Volkswagons, 2 BMW's, 2 Mazda's, and this is my first Jeep, I notice things. Maybe more so than others. So,

#1) There isn't a dimmer adjustment for the center console and stack displays and switch labels? I haven't found it if there is one and if you know, please post. I'm not really crazy about the green light either. I love the center gauges. The thin red needles on the steel-white looks great. I even like the "font" they used for the numbers and letters. But the green ambient lights and the green everything else is I guess what it has to be. I drove the Dodge Durango, and it has a very nice blue light everywhere the Jeep has a green one, and I have to say, I'd love to find out if they are interchangeable.

2) For these being close "cousins" of the ML,there are some big differences. Understandable of course. This is a Jeep, not an Mercedes. I think the goals are very different for each vehicle. But, the center display between the gauges is no where near as informative and interactive as the MB's. Really, other than changing it from mph display to efficiency display is mostly going to be the display for me, where as on the MB it's also connected to the nav unit. The center display will tell you what street your on, and your heading. I loved having that as then I can have the nav unit displaying music selections or whatever else. But, the new Nav system itself in the Jeep is much better than the MB's, but MB has a real person concierge service that will download directions and information for you. They can also call ahead to restaraunts and make reservations and get menu info for you to. Man am I spoiled huh? LOL! It also became another display option for your ipod or aux. So even with your ipod on, you can see what your listening to, and the nav unit can be displaying the map. Nice!

I have an Overland and the Nav does display directions in the center of the speedo/tac.

3) The sunroof when open air buffets the cabin quite a bit. Has anyone installed a wind deflector thing there and did it fix it? I also noticed the windscreen makes alot of noise when you get up to 50+ mph.

I always open a back window a little with the sunroof open.

4) The window button cluster is right out of the ML, along with the center gauge cluster. In the ML if you are driving along and come upon a smelly area and need to close all the windows, you can depress and hold the ac recirculate button and it will close all the windows including the sunroof and keep the ac in recirc mode. When you hit the ac recirc button again, it returns all the windows to their position and returns the ac to whatever setting you had as well. I tried it, and the Jeep doesn't do it. Darn! I liked that feature. LOL!!

5) the Goodyear Fortera tires suck. I have the 20 inch option. 250 miles on them and I already hate how they feel, and how slow they respond.

6) My $150 hand held Tom Tom and Garmin navigation unit I bought from Best Buy has 20 voices to choose from and several color display options as well. How come we don't get any of those choices here?

All the "off the shelf" after market Alpine head units offer DSP audio settings, maybe a THX or theatre audio extension mode? In the Jeep, Nothing, not 1 choice here? Really? Why not? It would have cost nothing. They even come as standard options on current aftermarket radios, and this very version they sell as an Alpine unit has these options but not in the Jeep for some reason.

7) Has anyone noticed that during the day, while your daytime running headlights are on, when you put your turn signal on, which ever side you do turns that side headlight off? I just wonder why. It seems strange to me is all.
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A lot of car's do this, I just saw an Audi the other day and it does that as well.

8) Does anyone know what the other two slots on the key fob is for? I thought I had all the options that would necessitate a key fob button, so why are they there? And couldn't they make the key fob a little smaller then?

9) Mercedes Benz's auto windshield wiper system is much better also. This may get better in time, but the other day I was sitting at a light with moderate rain, and the auto system would jump from 1 cycle every 20 seconds or so to full speed cycles for 10 or 15 seconds, then go to a slightly slower speed, then return to the 20 second interval for nothing. It may be because the body ecus haven't accrued enough data and the rain sensor is still new? We'll see, but the MB's was almost reading your mind. just when you thought it needed to, it would, everytime. And it always seemed to be the right speed for the amount of rain.

I hate auto wiper's, they are even worse on our M3.

On this subject, does anyone know if where you put the selector in the delay section changes the auto mode timing? Like if you move the stalk selector to the first delay windshield wiper notch, is that a slower "auto" cycle than if you moved it another notch up? Or it' doesn't matter, it's full auto or nothing?

10) I still also think that MB has the best cruise control of all the mfgrs. While this does have cruise control, buttons just don't offer the feel feedback of a lever. And it's so intuitive, you never have to look at how to operate it and adjust it in light traffic. I could literally drive the ML in some pretty heavy traffic and never use the gas or brake pedal. The cruise in the Jeep really is for just open single speed set driving.

I have the ACC and it work's very well and never liked the cruise in my Parent's GL450.

So I'll stop there for now. I want to clarify though that I do like this Jeep. I'm not tearing it down, I'm just making some comparisons and observations.
Overall I am happy with the Jeep, I drove an '08 ML350 the other day to pick up my Parent's car for them and it was disappointing, although it was a base model I'm sure it was more expensive than my loaded Overland.
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Re: My WK2 My chronicles of ownership

Valid comments but sounds like you need to play around with some of the controls/EVIC a bit more.

- Yes, the there is dimmer control for the nav screen, etc.
- My sunroof doesn't cause buffeting although I probably haven't driven above 50 MPH with it open...I think like most vehicles cracking a rear window just a tad will help.
- I wish there were more customizable options like Tom Tom / Garmin too. But most if not all car makers don't have it.
- I understand there were other FOB buttons...at lease one...I think it was for the flipper glass but for some reason it caused confusion and was eliminated...dunno for sure.
- The auto wipers in my WK was far superior to the WK2.....far superior. Maybe there will be a program change in the future. If the auto wipers worked like my WK, they would be perfect.
- The ACC for cruise control is great....
- The green ambient lighting...not the biggest fan of it...would prefer blue too or adjustable color. The bright green headlights on light in the console appears at first to be a warning light...I had to look it up to make sure there wasn't a problem....it needs to be toned down to be an "indicator light" instead of appearing to be a "warning light". Minor adjustments though.

Hope that helps...
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1) Does the regular dash dimmer not do the console stuff? I haven't checked.

2) That's one of the limitations of the nav. While it will display the next turn direction in the EVIC, the general interface is about 5-8 years behind the times. IMO, it functions extremely well (with only a couple gripes re: address input), but the look and feel of the thing is in major need of changing. As for the concierge stuff, there's a reason luxury brands cost more. The price differential between the ML and Jeep means that with the Jeep, you make your own restaurant reservations.

3) It buffets more than some other vehicles I've owned. Haven't tried a wind deflector.

4) Heh, that sounds like a neat feature.

5) I haven't noticed any issues with the Forteras. This is a 5000 pound vehicle with off road capability, it's going to be ponderous. If you want sports car handling, sorry, but you bought the wrong one. Given the nature of the vehicle, I find the handling to be quite acceptable.

6) Welcome to the difference between OEM and aftermarket units. OEM units don't generally compete on the same basis as aftermarket ones. Gimmicky things like different voices tend not to be used on OEM nav systems- my wife's Infiniti G37x doesn't have multiple icons or voices like a TomTom or Garmin either. You just don't have the same audio customization options with a factory system either, even in luxury brands (maybe in the top flight models with the impressive name brand systems, but not below $50,000 MSRP). If you like to tweak things that much, I fear you'll need to hunt up your local quality car audio dealer for a new head unit.

7) Visibility. It's easier to see the turn signal if the DRL shuts off.

8) It's cheaper to use the same fob across the entire manufacturer. The two spots that likely aren't used on your fob are for the rear hatch glass in the lower left (it was deleted off the WK2 fob at midyear; people were confusing it with the power liftgate) and for a power sliding door in the lower right (only on minivans; in this case the lower left is likely also a power sliding door). Yes, I find the fob to be rather large for what it is, but then again, it's cheaper and easier to use the same one in all keyless go Chrysler products than to have one for each model.

9) I don't have any issues with the auto wipers. Keep in mind that the sensor for the auto wipers and headlights is behind the rearview mirror; if something hits right in front of that window it will think it is raining harder than it actually is. And yes, when the windshield wipers are in AUTO mode, going to what would otherwise be a faster intermittent speed increases the sensitivity of the system. Thus, there's 4 sensitivity levels for it (page 159 in the manual). They say setting 3 is the "normal" one.

10) Personal preference on lever vs. button. Cruise control should never be used in heavy traffic, no matter the vehicle. The ACC system gives some extra leeway, but if you're constantly in traffic, it's better to be controlling vehicle speed directly. Much safer.

I haven't owned a Benz (our luxury nameplate ownership has been Acura and Infiniti), so I'll take your word on how their stuff operates. IMO, some systems in the Jeep work better than those luxury brands (Honda/Acura HandsFreeLink sucks, Infiniti's nav system is less intuitive to use). Some needs work (as I said, the Jeep 730N nav system looks like the interface was designed in 1985). Generally, for the price paid, I think the Grand Cherokee Overland is very reasonably for what one gets. IMO, a little more money would have been well spent on improved quality control, but generally I'm very pleased with mine and I hope you like yours.
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I'm not complaining here, I'm just noting the differences is all. whether or not I like them is another point. I really like my new WK2, and have come to like it more as I've owned it. For me, it will be nice to re read this thread a year from now and see if we all feel the same way.
Good points about why some of these are the way they are fellow Jeep members. And thank you for your points of view and input on these as well. It's nice to hear other opinions to help figure out why they made it the way they did. Maybe we can help them design our perfect 2015 WK...LOL!!
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So here is the obviuos cool stuff we have on our WK2's now:


1) Stock intergrated remote start!! Awsome! We went out to dinner, and as I paid the check I hit that magic little button twice. By the time we got there the jeep was cooled down, the music was on...man that's a nice feature.

2) Air suspension - I can't believe I almost got a Limited version without the air suspension system. The cool factor alone is just worth it, and the ride is even better. Smoother, and the sport mode is still "firm" capable when you want. My mom has bad hips, so being able to lower the vehicle in the park mode, and watching her get in and out with out having to wince in pain to push up that extra inch or two would have been worth double the cost to me. She sang praises about it. That and how far the doors swing open for her.

3) The quiet interior makes the luxury feel so much more convincing. Very nice job here.

4) reclining back seats. The ML didn't have that! What a sneaky great feature to have! Something you don't really think about until your passengers discover it!

5) The steering feel is so much better now. Center weighting, turn feel and feedback is 1000% better than just last years version, and the best I've ever felt in a Jeep or Chrysler product. Mercedes did a great job retooling this for sure!

6) the brakes are much nicer, and I would even say nicer feeling than the MB also. The ML brakes feel over boosted and vague. You almost have to just apply the brake pressure and wait to see how much the ML responds to it and then adjust the pressure more or less to glide into your stop. The Jeep feels positive and communicates right away so you can feel your stop coming well before you get there. Very nice.

7) The Overland seats are real quality. No doubt about it, they want the crown again. A bit wider seat makes it comfortable, the venting systems work great, and the 8 way power with adjustable lumbar make finding a comfy spot easy.

8) The shape of the GC is masculine without being a full on Bull dog. It has an Aristocratic business profile to it. Again, good job. I like the MB from the front and side angles, but the rear end looks droopy and fat to me. The Jeep just looks good all the way around. It's a much "younger" appeal to it. I allways called my MB the "Old man". LOL!!

9) The panoramic roof. Very cool, and works the way you think it should.

10) the power lift gate is just so useful, I just can't see not having this. And on the Jeep, I really like how it just beeps twice to let everyone around there know it's opening, whereas like on the ML it continually beeped like a bus in reverse the whole time it's going up and coming back down. Annoying. The Jeep also opens and closes quicker than the ML did. That is very cool and a nice surprise as well.

I'll again say this for the record: I like the Jeep Grand Cherokee. I am happy I have it so far. But theres alot to "liking" a vehicle for me as I probably am a bit more critical than most because I'm so exposed. It's easy to hate vehicles you've never owned. and I say owned, not just driven.
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The center display will tell you what street your on, and your heading.
The EPIC display shows your heading as a compass direction.
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Has anyone noticed that during the day, while your daytime running headlights are on, when you put your turn signal on, which ever side you do turns that side headlight off? I just wonder why. It seems strange to me is all.
This is required by law in several jurisdictions, including all of Canada. There's a maximum amount of light that can be emitted when in DRL mode, and lighting both the DRL and turn signal lamps exceeds it.
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does anyone know if where you put the selector in the delay section changes the auto mode timing? Like if you move the stalk selector to the first delay windshield wiper notch, is that a slower "auto" cycle than if you moved it another notch up? Or it' doesn't matter, it's full auto or nothing?
From the owner's manual, pages 156-157:

Rain Sensing Wipers If Equipped
This feature senses moisture on the windshield and automatically activates the wipers for the driver. The feature is especially useful for road splash or overspray from the windshield washers of the vehicle ahead. Rotate the end of the multifunction lever to one of four settings to activate this feature.
The sensitivity of the system can be adjusted with the multifunction lever. Wiper delay position 1 is the least sensitive, and wiper delay position 4 is the most sensitive. Setting 3 should be used for normal rain conditions. Settings 1 and 2 can be used if the driver desires less wiper sensitivity. Settings 4 can be used if the driver desires more sensitivity.
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This is required by law in several jurisdictions, including all of Canada. There's a maximum amount of light that can be emitted when in DRL mode, and lighting both the DRL and turn signal lamps exceeds it.
Its not based on brightness. The actual regulation (I posted it a while ago in another thread), says that when the DRL and the turn signal are within about 4 inches of one another, the DRL should turn off. So there are lots of vehicles where the nearest DRL stays lit even when the signal is flashing. But the WK2, several Dodge and other vehicles use the shutoff as required.
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10) the power lift gate is just so useful, I just can't see not having this.
The manual lift version is surprisingly light, though. You can lift the gate up effortlessly with your pinky.

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And on the Jeep, I really like how it just beeps twice to let everyone around there know it's opening, whereas like on the ML it continually beeped like a bus in reverse the whole time it's going up and coming back down. Annoying. The Jeep also opens and closes quicker than the ML did. That is very cool and a nice surprise as well.
Agreed on the beeping. Beside just having a couple beeps instead of being continuous, the beeps are also subtle. The beep is loud enough to alert just those near the gate. It's not loud enough to alert the entire supermarket parking lot which is what I've seen [most] other vehicles do.
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Another observation:

1) The sun visors feel a bit on the cheesy cheap side. Also, on Mercedes, Volvo, BMW, and Audi, they have the two panel visor that can block side and front sun at the same time. I always liked that ability, especially in the morning when the sun is coming at you at an angle.

2) There aren't enough elevated tie-down anchors in the cargo area. Just a couple recessed d rings on each side would have been great.

3) I think there should be an outlet or two back there also. Maybe as part of an option package?

4) I like the moulded bins they made for around the spare tire. Very handy for storing my rain gear and a few extra tools.

5) I'm not crazy about the chrome cover side view mirrors. But whatever for now. Also, while these do look ok with the GC, I also think a slightly more sculpted side view mirror could have made it look a bit more sophisticated. I'm ok with what they have now though. I just thought this was a missed opprotunity.

6) The plastic B panels and the plastic on the back of the seatbelt latch are banging on each other already and I'm sure in time there are bound to develop battle scars. I think a foam, fabric, or rubber pad, there would be just the fix. It only needs to be about a 4 inch by 4 inch square there and could be the same color as the trim to make it blend in.

7) My first mod: removed the 1980's looking windshield wipers and replaced them with Bosch Icons. Now they match the truck. LOL!!

8) I still miss the "small change"compartments on the left hand side of the cockpit. The Mazda had one, and so did the Volvo.

9) They should add a top tier luxury package that included a massage unit in the seats. Why not right? Mercedes, BMW, and Audi have them.

10) Courtesy approach lights. On Lexus, when the key fob holder approaches the vehicle, lights under the side view mirrors come on to add some light to your approach. I don't think the GC has those.
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Hey Smooth,
I see a pattern of you constantly comparing our GC to Audi, MB and BMW. That's like comparing apples to oranges. Jeep has come a long way especially with this redesign but it shouldn't be compared to high end luxury makes. I love my Overland as do many others on this Forum. I have always owned Nissans and still love them. If you told me just a year that I would own a Jeep product I would have told you that you're crazy! Now look at me! Proud GC owner! It just sounds like from your previous posts that you're nit picking. Remember it's a Jeep not Audi, MB, or BMW.
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