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Re: MY15 depreciation due to recall?

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What I've read so far: 1) FCA issued a profound apology; 2) Police report said Jeep was running and in neutral; 3) FCA will investigate.

I'd say for the short term the monetary hit on trying to unload a 14/15 will be painful. Long term - depends on how long this drags out.

A lot of examples of brands with serious consumer issues... exploding tires, rollovers, airbag issues, fire risk, stuck accelerators, cheating emissions, etc.

I've never experienced this shifter but from reading here the opinions run from simple, to take's a while to get used to, to a tragic design flaw.

Short term = pain; long term = memories are fleeting.

As an owner I'm glad FCA commented immediately; what they do going forward is anyone's guess. It could turn out well, horrid, or forgotten about in the next round of the news-cycle.


The issues on the shifter have been very much magnified. You should go drive one with this shifter and you will probably think it is all overblown especially if you have driven other vehicles (MB, etc.) that have various shifter designs. You will probably think this is a neat, compact modern shifter. Yes, some people need to be more attentive as it requires less motion to change from one gear to another versus old shifters (esp. manual transmissions) that had vary large motions to change. This one is more precise and requires a bit more fine motor control. In my opinion, it wasn't different enough and as such stood out and became a convenient scapegoat to what is really operator error. Sure, it can be designed differently to make it more user proof and Jeep did that as the response from customers was "oh this is different, not sure I like it" hence the 2016 shifter. Again, as far as actual "safety", it is overblown as driving mistakes happen in all vehicles and we don't know if this shifter design even has a significantly higher percentage or not.

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Re: MY15 depreciation due to recall?

At the end of the day, its still a recall and there is still a freeze on new sales.

The timing couldnt be worse either. By the time the MY17 start rolling onto dealer lots, I assume FCA will have issued its fix for the vehicles. Thus the freeze on sales will be lifted. So now there is an entirely new MY available for purchase AND an influx of no mileage MY15 still sitting on dealer lots.
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Re: MY15 depreciation due to recall?

I doubt it's affected. These things don't hold their value well because they're full of electronics and unreliable. It's a domestic vehicle...
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Re: MY15 depreciation due to recall?

This is really the weirdest thing ever. I had an early build 2014 and now a 2015 HA and I have yet to have one single issue with the shifter. I just don't get it.
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Re: MY15 depreciation due to recall?

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At the end of the day, its still a recall and there is still a freeze on new sales.

The timing couldnt be worse either. By the time the MY17 start rolling onto dealer lots, I assume FCA will have issued its fix for the vehicles. Thus the freeze on sales will be lifted. So now there is an entirely new MY available for purchase AND an influx of no mileage MY15 still sitting on dealer lots.
In case you don't know, the fix has been issued yesterday with a Recall/Tsb. Dealers are already performing the software upgrade.
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Re: MY15 depreciation due to recall?

I did not know that. Which means the freeze should be lifted and thus there shouldnt be a depreciation issue?!
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This is really the weirdest thing ever. I had an early build 2014 and now a 2015 HA and I have yet to have one single issue with the shifter. I just don't get it.

Same here... It's surprising how ignorant people can be.
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In case you don't know, the fix has been issued yesterday with a Recall/Tsb. Dealers are already performing the software upgrade.
oh it has? I swear the last I heard there is no fix for it yet. I have the recall sitting here, but last week I thought I read here that when you call the dealership they will say the fix is not available yet.
So if this is the case then I will schedule the recall for shifter, brake caliper recall, and a couple other issues that need fixin.
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Re: MY15 depreciation due to recall?

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oh it has? I swear the last I heard there is no fix for it yet. I have the recall sitting here, but last week I thought I read here that when you call the dealership they will say the fix is not available yet.
So if this is the case then I will schedule the recall for shifter, brake caliper recall, and a couple other issues that need fixin.
Yes, the update was yesterday. I just called mine for next week appointment. Is there a caliper recall? Whats the issue?
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Yes, the update was yesterday. I just called mine for next week appointment. Is there a caliper recall? Whats the issue?
Cool thanks for that info. You are correct I called and it is ready. Yes my Dec 2015 build High Altitude V6 has a caliper recall to replace some parts or entire caliper on one of the front calipers. I received that a month or two ago.
Once the caliper parts come in they are gonna call to make an appointment to get everything done at once. Including heated seat TSB because like most other '15 High Altitudes my heated seats were almost non-existent. That as well as now I have to address my 2-3 hard shift issue. Luckily they said they can get me a loaner so that will be nice.

So since the recalls are now available to be performed sounds like there was very little delay and 2015 models wont be held up very much on the lots. because of this I would say no real depreciation issues for the 2014/2015 models.
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The issues on the shifter have been very much magnified. You should go drive one with this shifter and you will probably think it is all overblown especially if you have driven other vehicles (MB, etc.) that have various shifter designs. You will probably think this is a neat, compact modern shifter. Yes, some people need to be more attentive as it requires less motion to change from one gear to another versus old shifters (esp. manual transmissions) that had vary large motions to change. This one is more precise and requires a bit more fine motor control. In my opinion, it wasn't different enough and as such stood out and became a convenient scapegoat to what is really operator error. Sure, it can be designed differently to make it more user proof and Jeep did that as the response from customers was "oh this is different, not sure I like it" hence the 2016 shifter. Again, as far as actual "safety", it is overblown as driving mistakes happen in all vehicles and we don't know if this shifter design even has a significantly higher percentage or not.
The biggest problem is it is inconsistent. Sometimes pushing the shifter forward from the drive position, with the button pressed, the car is in park, other times it is not. Having to hit a precise speed and pressure to accomplish a goal is great for video games, not for 5,000 pound machines. Reading through the thread, even some who like it admit that it can be a problem in a panic situation. Well, panic situations are the times you have to act without thinking about what the engineers had in mind. My guess is that before working in the auto industry they designed video games, where this type shifter would be perfect.

Is it overblown in the press, sure. So is the air bag fiasco. The percentage of people who got hurt or killed from the air bags is a lot smaller than injuries from the shifter. But in this day and age if somebody stubs their tow, somebody else is to blame.

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Re: MY15 depreciation due to recall?

I wanted another Rubicon. When I checked my HA had lost $14K already and it has 3K miles. That was two weeks ago and now this happens. I'm glad I leased this so I don't give a crap what happens to the value. I will probably only keep my HA for a year or so and then might switch to a Trailhawk or a Rubicon.
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