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Old 06-26-2016, 10:13 PM
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New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

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What would you have to do with a traditional shifter, reach over and put your hand on it? Looking at the dash or indicator on top of the shifter would be less effort. When you are making the change you don't have to look, you can feel the difference in distance the shifter travels and number of clunks it travels through to know if its in R or P.

Well, my last vehicle had a six speed manual and I never looked at it and I almost never missed my shifts. On the very rare occasion I did, I knew without taking my eyes off the road and was able to correct without taking my eyes off the road.

My wife has an '08 Acura RDX with the more traditional mechanical detents and I don't have any difficulty with that either.

I do miss the positions often enough with the JGC that I have become a bit paranoid that I hit N instead of P, etc., and always look at the dash to confirm I'm where I intended.

As others have said, it's not defective, it's just not a great design from a human UI perspective.

On the upside, I do like the S, D toggle.

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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

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What would you have to do with a traditional shifter, reach over and put your hand on it?

You have to put your hand on it to shift. You reach over and move the shifter all the way forward and you are in park. Your muscle memory tells you that you have done it correctly.

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Old 06-26-2016, 10:42 PM
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

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Well, my last vehicle had a six speed manual and I never looked at it and I almost never missed my shifts. On the very rare occasion I did, I knew without taking my eyes off the road and was able to correct without taking my eyes off the road.

My wife has an '08 Acura RDX with the more traditional mechanical detents and I don't have any difficulty with that either.

I do miss the positions often enough with the JGC that I have become a bit paranoid that I hit N instead of P, etc., and always look at the dash to confirm I'm where I intended.

As others have said, it's not defective, it's just not a great design from a human UI perspective.

On the upside, I do like the S, D toggle.

-john
Yeah, I grew up with manuals, but you don't get much choice in SUVs these days.

I find I get plenty of tactile feedback on the change that I don't need to look at it. I can feel the number of clunks and the distance the shifter travels to tell me what position I've selected, D to N or R feels noticeable shorter than D to P. Maybe if you are in a hurry you might not be sure, but that is generally when you look, so the physical position of the shifter isn't important, you are looking, there are visual indicators.

I really like the fast action of throwing the shifter into D from P or R and stamping the pedal to get going, it is much quicker than an old zig zag design. And I like the sport mode, I really can't see any downsides on the shifter, other than I'd rather the manual gear selection be on the shifter rather than the wheel paddles, like the 2016 shifter offers. But then sport is on the console.... not so good.
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

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Are you asking if the center console is the same size or if it is plug and play compatible?
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The answer to that question that spawned this thread is pretty much "nobody knows"...
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

It's a complicated question but here is how I would approach it. Let's make the assumption that it physically fits the next is the electrical.

1st: I would identify the differences, ie did functionality move from / to the center console? If it moved off the center console how will you now enable that functionality in the 2016 console? If it moved to the center console so that basically there is duplicate ways to activate the functionality are you ok with that functionality not working from the center console?

2nd: and I will fully admit I haven't worked on any of the electrical in the jgc, is figuring out how the electrical signal is sent from the current shifter and if the new shifter even though a s different style sends the same signals for the same action.

But much of this cannot be determined without having both models and the willingness to take them apart, Or the detailed specs from the manufacturer.
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

Putting a 16 shifter into a 14/15 ... with all the electronics, modules, fly by wire and software, what could possibly go wrong?
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With unlimited resources...yes. Resale will suffer due to a cobbled up mishmash of parts and questions arising from how well the work was done and the advisability of doing so in the first place. Many potential buyers will be put off by it.

It may be cheaper and definitely less hassle to put yourself into the 2016.
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Besides the cost factor for hardware and labor (~1500) you need to code it/flash. I don't think it's worth it doing it at the owners cost.


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Besides the cost factor for hardware and labor (~1500) you need to code it/flash. I don't think it's worth it doing it at the owners cost.
And what dealer service department would even code/flash such a modification given the potential for accidents and lawsuits should anything go wrong later. Just not worth it to them if they have 1% of a brain. No one knows what later software updates will come out that wouldn't anticipate a 16 shifter in a 14/15 and cause problems.
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

12 MPH! - That's funny and quite illogical. That service writer needs a better set of bifocals. As you can see it's 1.2 MPH not 12.

It's set for 1.2 max so can catch the car as it starts to roll if it's accidentally left in drive or reverse when you release the brake. If left in neutral, you never even know it silently shifted into park as you exit. You do feel it if it starts idle rolling in drive or reverse however.

As stated by others, only occurs if driver's seat belt off, driver's door opened and brake is released.



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