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New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

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Actually that is not entirely true. Look at the Chrysler 200 - it is not offered with paddle shifters except in the upper trim and buyers are stuck with a knob. I also wish that automatics that have the paddle shifters, would allow you to select Neutral by either shifting down to 0 (N) or pulling both paddles towards you or having a 3rd and 4th smaller paddle for clutch / neutral like in Formula One.

That's why I said most.... And who wants paddle shifters for a 200. People barely want a 200 as it is. Jk. I don't know the stats but I'm pretty sure the lower trim buyers of a 200 would even consider manually shifting gears with or without paddle shifters.

Which brings me back to my original point: stick shifters for an automatic is still pointless.

Tbh- In the two years I owned my Durango I maybe used the paddle shifter twice. I imagine that with "sport" mode, I wouldn't even use them.

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Here ya go...
Does anyone think the new shifter looks out of place ?.

Doesn't seem to flow with other bits in that area i.e selector knob,armrest, cubby door etc.

For discussion....
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Old 02-01-2016, 11:35 AM
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

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Does anyone think the new shifter looks out of place ?.

Doesn't seem to flow with other bits in that area i.e selector knob,armrest, cubby door etc.

For discussion....
Nope. Looks fine to me.

And honestly, given that the vast majority of vehicle buyers out there (not just for JGC) likely don't give a fig about how to get into Park, Drive and Reverse, we're probably pretty lucky to even have a "stick shifter" at this point considering there's no mechanical linkage and it's all electronic. It's mostly the enthusiasts who care about this as well as folks like me who come from a generation that goes back far enough that we actually remember great manual transmissions and how they worked...or even used them. Think about what percentage of current generations on the road have even driven a manual transmission? It's small and growing smaller all the time. We are fortunate that given the nature of the JGC, we have the ability to use the stick to do more than just select "go" and "don't go"...
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

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Does anyone think the new shifter looks out of place ?.

Doesn't seem to flow with other bits in that area i.e selector knob,armrest, cubby door etc.

For discussion....
Nope, looks good to me! Actually for going back to a "stick" style shifter I think it looks great!
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

To me, stick shifters bother me as much as fake side air vents or fake car badges.
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

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Nope. Looks fine to me.

And honestly, given that the vast majority of vehicle buyers out there (not just for JGC) likely don't give a fig about how to get into Park, Drive and Reverse, ...
I respectfully disagree. Jeep did not change to this new shifter to satisfy forum members. I believe most people who have been driving a while want things to be second nature when it comes to driving. Driving a new car shouldn't have a learning curve. That should be left for the entertainment and comfort options.

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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

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I respectfully disagree. Jeep did not change to this new shifter to satisfy forum members. I believe most people who have been driving a while want things to be second nature when it comes to driving. Driving a new car shouldn't have a learning curve. That should be left for the entertainment and comfort options.

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And I respectfully disagree. Every new toy, trick or truck has a learning curve. You have updated electronics, the new engine and gearbox, which have specific "sweet" spots on the power curve, start-stop, you have new visibility and/or dead angles. Model Year 2011-2013 Jeeps produce a different experience to the 2014+ and probably soon there will be a significant step between the 2014-2015 and the next model year.

The futuristic shifter in the 2014-2015 models wasn't any harder to learn than browsing for music on an SD card, streaming music via BT or reflashing the UCONNECT system using a self-downloaded image to a USB stick drive.

Everybody just loves to slam their car in gear and zoom-zoom, without looking, without tactile feel. No wonder they get it wrong and complain ! On a manual transmission car, they probably would be changing the clutch every year...
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

14 / 15 shifters are just a sub-par design.
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

In my opinion, if a shifter of any type has to have a learning curve, it's a poor design.
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In my opinion, if a shifter of any type has to have a learning curve, it's a poor design.
I can't disagree.. but a lot do..

The so-so 14-15 shifter, and "fixing" the shifter yet moving the sport mode switch to the instrument panel reinforces my thinking that none of these designers ever actually drive these vehicles.

And if you want to talk about a shifter with a learning curve, let me tell you about the well-worn Hurst pistol-grip 4spd in my brother-in-law's 73 Challenger
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I can't disagree.. but a lot do..

The so-so 14-15 shifter, and "fixing" the shifter yet moving the sport mode switch to the instrument panel reinforces my thinking that none of these designers ever actually drive these vehicles.

And if you want to talk about a shifter with a learning curve, let me tell you about the well-worn Hurst pistol-grip 4spd in my brother-in-law's 73 Challenger
The only purpose for that SPORT button placement, there, on the dashboard, would be to "lock in" sport mode, both in terms of powertrain management and in terms of suspension Aero mode. But we all know that that's not why it is there - it is an afterthought, just like with the ECO button from 2 years ago.

And now the ECO and the SPORT button are one next to each other. And the button font is different.

It is an afterthought to give the car two modes of manually selecting gears (shifter and steering wheel paddles...errr are these even available?) instead of transferring the sport mode to that side slide motion for the shifter.

It is a Jeep. So expect the unconventional, to put it politely.
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