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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

Starting with trucks and equipment on the farm, I've been driving since I was 13, nearly 50 years. Having said that, I was in the habit of never using the "parking brake" on a vehicle with an automatic (lived in flat country). Until last fall, after putting 30k miles on it without incident, when I had to chase my 2014 Grand Cherokee as it went rolling down a driveway and was backing toward a garbage truck in the street. I had left it running and thought it was in Park. Instead, it was in Reverse. I was lucky I caught it in time, got the door open, and got it stopped without getting hurt or hitting anything or anyone. It was close. Very.

I now use the "parking brake" religiously, and also check the dash to make sure I'm in Park. I think the 2014 shifter is "pretty" but is horrible in absolute function--if you have to think twice about it, it's not a good design. I have no other complaints at all about the Grand Cherokee.

I would be happy if Jeep offered some kind of retrofit. I'm not one of those who complained to the feds, but I can certainly relate.

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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

New shifter in action!!!

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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

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If you are proposing a different UI besides "paddles" for the same manual gear selection capability, I'd entertain that.

Otherwise, absolutely not. Manual gear selection on an automatic transmission is incredibly useful for locking the vehicle into a chosen gear at speed. Tired of ACC giving you whiplash when you change lanes? Lock it in 8th with the paddle shifters. You can also use it to start rolling in 2nd gear rather than 1st, which is sometimes useful too. Or deliberately downshifting to lower your EGT while towing.


I agree visual confirmation is required with this shifter. I've been saved more than once due to the fact that I conscientiously use the parking brake... I push the shifter forward and once again it's decided to hang up in N instead of P (at least I've already set the parking brake, so it doesn't roll). Even worse is when the shifter "fights back" and requires well over one second of pushing in order to shift into P.

Change for the sake of change isn't a virtue. Traditional shifters offer tactile feedback / muscle memory that subconsciously confirms gear selection. That's been lost with this shifter paradigm. What's the commensurate gain we've received to compensate for this loss? I don't perceive any.

No. It's nice being able to manually shift, but hunting for the paddle shifters while cornering sucks. I'd rather be able to control the trans from the console shifter. There's no guessing where the shifter will be at any given moment.

I'll have to try your trick for taming the ACC. Thanks for the heads up on that.


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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

Thanks for the video!

Not sure yet if I like this glued on chrome stripe in front of the shifter....
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

I'm glad that this new shifter allows you to shift individual gears.

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But I don't understand why this fantastic shifter used in the 2015 Charger wasn't used. The Charger originally utilized the same shifter we had on our 2014/15 Grand Cherokees, and switched to the design shown above. I loved it, and I thought it would be a no brainer.


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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

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New shifter in action!!!

http://youtu.be/DsTpWvZIi58


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Thanks for posting the link to the video.

Hmmmmmm.....after seeing the video, I don't think I like the 2016 shifter as it seems large and with too much movement. Big and in the way. My 2014 shifter is nice and compact and I am so used to it that I think the big clunky shifter with the sport mode button on the center console will be awkward. Just my opinion. Love the 2014 shifter where you can pull back to put it into sport mode then pull back again to turn sport mode off.......
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

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Thanks for the video!

Not sure yet if I like this glued on chrome stripe in front of the shifter....
Yeah I saw that to and like you I can't tell yet if I like it. Would have to see it in person.
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

Came across this article:

People Can't Figure Out How to Shift Fiat Chrysler's Into Park

(NHTSA This past summer, the National Highway Traffic Safety administration opened a preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees, after some owners alleged their vehicles would roll away after being shifted into Park. The Detroit News reports that the NHTSA is conducting an engineering analysis on more than 856,000 Fiat Chrysler vehicles. The agency has received reports of 314 roll-away incidents, involving 121 crashes and 30 injuries, caused when drivers exited a vehicle after they thought they'd shifted into Park)

NHTSA: People Can't Figure Out How to Shift Fiat Chryslers Into Park
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

With the Feds poking around, I can see a retrofit to the 2016 iteration in the future via recall for 2014 and 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee owners. Jeep all but admitted the 14/15 iteration was wrong when they changed it on their own accord to the 16 version.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/feds-fia...140636367.html
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

I know that "to each his own", but I really hope they don't put a dial or push button shifter in the JGC. I can't remember the last time I owned a vehicle without a shifter coming up out of the console. My right hand would become very lonely!
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

I really don't think FCA is going to want to replace the console and shifter mechanism in upwards of a million vehicles. I believe a software solution can be worked out. With the central nervous system in this vehicle being so interconnected, they'll likely find a way to engaged park when a door is opened, or something similar.
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

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I'm used to the shifter, but still occasionally find myself hitting the gas, and revving the engine with no power to the wheels. Usually, this happens when I'm parallel parking, and in a hurry.
Ditto, and sometimes when rushing a maneuver to not block traffic, such as a K turn.

Also, I did not like this shifter when trying to "rock" the JGC out of being stuck in snow by going from Drive to Reverse and Reverse to Drive. I'm still not sure if it's possible to "rock" the car back and forth with this shifter, or how to do it with this shifter without hurting the transmission.

ETA: I've never had the "it's not in Park when I thought it was" situation, but have had the "it's in Park/Neutral when I thought I put it in Drive or Reverse".
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