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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

If someone doesn't like their shifter you can have my 2005 GC and I'll take your 14' or 15'.

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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

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With the Feds poking around, I can see a retrofit to the 2016 iteration in the future via recall for 2014 and 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee owners. Jeep all but admitted the 14/15 iteration was wrong when they changed it on their own accord to the 16 version.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/feds-fia...140636367.html
This.

With the injuries and accidents being reported, and FCA basically admitting that they were wrong and redesigning it for 2016, I bet you $5 you're right.

It would cost FCA some money to retrofit, but it would save them millions in potential lawsuits.

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With the injuries and accidents being reported, and FCA basically admitting that they were wrong and redesigning it for 2016, I bet you $5 you're right.

It would cost FCA some money to retrofit, but it would save them millions in potential lawsuits.
Well, I do like that 2016 MY shifter as depicted in the video. However, I'd place my bet on the "recall" being a firmware update that makes the existing shifter harder to use and ironically manages to displease even the owners who originally liked it (haha, that would definitely breathe new fire into the "Choosing which recalls to apply" thread).

Corroboration: the 2015 MY EcoDiesel got a rather inadequate bolt-on plate to "sort of" protect the flimsy plastic DEF injector... which was basically an admission that having the DEF injector sticking down under the vehicle was the wrong design. The "fix" for the same poorly designed DEF injectors on the 2014 MY EcoDiesel was to have the dealer emplace a plastic zip tie for reinforcement.

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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

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This.

With the injuries and accidents being reported, and FCA basically admitting that they were wrong and redesigning it for 2016, I bet you $5 you're right.

It would cost FCA some money to retrofit, but it would save them millions in potential lawsuits.

-K

A new design is not an admission of a previous faulty design. The law wants to encourage continuous improvements and not have manufacturers afraid to make changes and improvements. The 2014/15 shifter is not a faulty design since it works as it is supposed to. The issue is there is a learning curve as it is not the same as others. But that is true with wipers, audio buttons, etc. It is user error, not a strict liability design issue. Jeep's position will be that they changed it because it was not well received, not because of a design flaw. I just don't see "recall" here on the shifter per se, a software update to enhance warnings, etc. probably to increase user satisfaction.
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The issue is there is a learning curve as it is not the same as others. But that is true with wipers, audio buttons, etc.
There is adequate legal precedent that certain aspects of the UI of a vehicle are standardized for safety reasons. For example, a manufacturer can't just decide it would be awesome, exciting, and innovative if their automatic transmission vehicle shifter were to have the shift order Drive-Reverse-Park-Neutral. The PRND order was standardized by law because it was unsafe for every manufacturer to just do their own thing regarding transmission shifting and then blame drivers by calling it "a learning curve".

Similarly, I bet a manufacturer wouldn't get too far without a recall if they decided to exchange the position of the brake and accelerator pedals or designed the vehicle to turn in the opposite direction of the steering wheel's rotation. Nevertheless, these examples would each be "a learning curve" that worked as per design.
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Similarly, I bet a manufacturer wouldn't get too far without a recall if they decided to exchange the position of the brake and accelerator pedals or designed the vehicle to turn in the opposite direction of the steering wheel's rotation. Nevertheless, these examples would each be "a learning curve" that worked as per design.
What about putting the steering wheel on the righthand side and the shifter on the lefthand side? Oh wait, they do that in the UK and many other countries. I know when I have driven in those countries it is a tad confusing at first ... especially with driving on the other side of the road! I just don't see it as a manufacturer's issue... they can update the software to make it more idiot proof but that really is about all they can be held to do. They are not going to be made to change the shifter itself ... not gonna happen ... Also, it is just my opinion so please don't take offense.
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What about putting the steering wheel on the righthand side and the shifter on the lefthand side? Oh wait, they do that in the UK and many other countries.
Those countries also drive on the wrong side of the road too; it's a mirror-image UI befitting the driver's position relative to oncoming traffic.

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Absolutely none taken. It's clear, though, that there are standard design elements that are enshrined by law for safety reasons. PRND wasn't always law, and before it was, I'm sure the "it's just an exciting learning curve!" excuse was bandied about. No recalls were forced on those non-PRND "innovators" when the PRND shift order law was created to stop them from screwing around with basic UI consistency; however, all subsequent model years were standardized and safer.

Depending on how hard FCA tries to push this shifter design—and they seem to be backpedaling away from it as fast as possible—there may be a future federal regulation prohibiting this kind of shifter. But yeah, like I said, all I expect for the existing vehicles is an eventual firmware revision that makes the existing shifter even more annoying to operate. I certainly won't be the guinea pig for that firmware patch, either.
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

^^^ I have driven stick shifts on lefthand roads with both righthand and lefthand steering wheels. Definitely have to drive attentively!

This can all be solved with driverless cars!!!

BTW - I have never known anyone to use the parking brake with an automatic unless on a hill. Of course, with a manual transmission you do use it.
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

Easy fix. software can put it in P when driver door opens. Offroaders problably want a disable feature through the menu. there's few other suv's that have that already.
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Re: New '16 shifter - fit in a '14?

[QUOTE=The issue is there is a learning curve as it is not the same as others. But that is true with wipers, audio buttons, etc.[/QUOTE]

Not many of the other learning curves have got people run over like the shifter!!...............
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Not many of the other learning curves have got people run over like the shifter!!...............
I have very little sympathy for anyone who gets run over under those circumstances. As the operator of the vehicle, that responsibility rests on them.
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I have very little sympathy for anyone who gets run over under those circumstances. As the operator of the vehicle, that responsibility rests on them.
Unfortunately not everyone is as smart as some people on this forum......
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