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true, but they seem to do a better job at it. Most of their vehicles don't scream Cheap when adding chrome like many of the other brands.
I think from the looks of the spy pic it looks like it's very well done on the 2014 Overland Summit.
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It already was being compared to them. I don't think anyone bought a Touareg, ML, etc. over the Jeep because of the exhaust pipes. I get what they're going for, I just don't approve of it. I bought the Jeep for its personality, it's character, it felt more American and brash and purpose built than its German rivals. I liked that it offered German besting interior with the best of American styling.

I don't think Jeep needs to try to sell the Overland/Summit as a poseur ML or Touareg. It's a great vehicle that sells in its own right, don't do it a dis-service by removing its character to try to be a "me too" luxury SUV.

It's like the LED DRLs that Audi came out with. They were cool then, but when you slap them on everything, they're not cool on those things. It just looks lame, like you can't come up with your own original designs.

IMO, they should focus on hings like replacing the plastic around the center console with leather, upgrading their dealer network and service, things like that. Redesigning the back to have a more European rear apron, that doesn't sound productive to me.
I understand what you are saying but however you obviously lack common sense in seeing what is going on! Jeep will always be the brand of SUVs. Dodge will always have the image of being young and sporty. Chrysler will be the entry-level to mid-level (once it moves more upmarket) luxury classy brand. Ram will be the truck brand and SRT will be the racing brand.

Chrysler is using its Jeep brand to its fullest potential!!! Why cant Jeep be like a more affordable Land Rover? Why can't Chrysler capitalize on that market as well? Why is American brands have to be classified as 2nd and 3rd best but never on top?

There was a time when Americans actually had it!!! When American cars were the epitome of what a car should be. You talk about the "American feel", what is the "American feel"? Lexus is where Cadillacs, Chryslers, Imperials always was in-terms of ride. Yes, at the time Jeep was not pushing into the luxury segment but times have changed. When car companies like Kia is becoming more luxurious its time for everyone to step it up. If you don't like it then that suits you. There is a Jeep for everyone and Chrysler/Fiat is making sure of it!

I do agree with you on some things which I'm sure will be addressed going forward and they are already starting to. For instance the dealer network and service is being tackled.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:16 PM
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Re: NEW 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee spy pics(thanks 12sleeper!)

I fully agree with you, that's why I bought my Overland, it flat out bested the Range Rover and LR4 in every way but hp numbers.

I don't think that the way to distinguish yourself and promote yourself is to try to steal the styling from other vehicles you wish you were. I think Jeep has already done a fantastic job with designing the GC, why ruin it by adding parts from a totally different design?

IMO, the original rear was great, though I do think the V6 should have came with dual tips. It was classy, but not pretentious. They're just exhaust pipes, they don't need to be made into some crazy shape to follow some sort of styling motif. They should be circles that let out combusted air/fuel, and there is no benefit to making them anything other than a circle.

IMO, if they really want to have a vehicle that pretends to be a Mercedes, sell it as a Chrysler.

And to me, the "American feel" is the simple but elegant and classy nature of it. Rather than some crazy intricate hood ornament that gets broken off, you get a badge and a grille that lets you know exactly what it is. Rather than a nav system that requires you to use a spinny clicky knob and work around it, you touch what you want to happen on the screen and it works. Rather than a system that you have to try to find a picture that looks like what it looks like outside to set your 4x4, you just leave it in auto and drive through whatever. Rather than styling the screams that you need attention (Cadillac), a subdued but even more classy styling that oozes strength and sophistication.

The American feel is a simple yet luxurious and classy vehicle you can always depend on and never feels cheap or like it's trying to pretend to be something that it isn't. It's a vehicle that is built to be confident in itself.
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I fully agree with you, that's why I bought my Overland, it flat out bested the Range Rover and LR4 in every way but hp numbers.

I don't think that the way to distinguish yourself and promote yourself is to try to steal the styling from other vehicles you wish you were. I think Jeep has already done a fantastic job with designing the GC, why ruin it by adding parts from a totally different design?

IMO, the original rear was great, though I do think the V6 should have came with dual tips. It was classy, but not pretentious. They're just exhaust pipes, they don't need to be made into some crazy shape to follow some sort of styling motif. They should be circles that let out combusted air/fuel, and there is no benefit to making them anything other than a circle.

IMO, if they really want to have a vehicle that pretends to be a Mercedes, sell it as a Chrysler.

And to me, the "American feel" is the simple but elegant and classy nature of it. Rather than some crazy intricate hood ornament that gets broken off, you get a badge and a grille that lets you know exactly what it is. Rather than a nav system that requires you to use a spinny clicky knob and work around it, you touch what you want to happen on the screen and it works. Rather than a system that you have to try to find a picture that looks like what it looks like outside to set your 4x4, you just leave it in auto and drive through whatever. Rather than styling the screams that you need attention (Cadillac), a subdued but even more classy styling that oozes strength and sophistication.

The American feel is a simple yet luxurious and classy vehicle you can always depend on and never feels cheap or like it's trying to pretend to be something that it isn't. It's a vehicle that is built to be confident in itself.
You're saying you prefer the broken bumper and wheel arches and front lower bumper fascia made up of dark gray / black bumpy plastic to a fully painted finished product? Really?
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Old 09-05-2012, 10:01 PM
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wheel arches and front lower bumper fascia made up of dark gray / black bumpy plastic to a fully painted finished product? Really?
Broken bumper? My bumper has no issues at all. Not sure what exactly you're talking about there.

But yes, I do prefer those little bits of unpainted plastic. Here's why, they're small, and they keep the paint protected at its most vulnerable points.

My previous SUV (admittedly was quite a bit lower to the ground) had a nasty habit of scratching the front bumper on random parking stones or parking medians that were higher than normal. Since it was painted, it would look terrible if not touched up every once in a while.

The sideskirts too were painted, and if you got in with any sort of dirt or anything on your shoes, you would leave a mark. People who routinely touched the skirts getting in even would wear off the paint. The base models had unpainted plastic there, and did not have the same issues.

The plastic trim on the doors is actually my favorite part. If I open the door slightly too wide (vacuuming the car in the garage most of the time), the plastic is what touches the wall due to its placement. The plastic won't chip like the paint will, and if it does, it's a cheaper par to replace.

Admittedly, my Jeep is black, and so it sticks out less. I could see it being somewhat of an eyesore if you had certain colors that would not mesh with it well (gold for instance). But, having a darker color where it doesn't stand out as much or white/silver where it adds a nice bit of contrast, it also adds a decent amount of protection.

I've had the fully painted vehicles before, and while it looks nice on some sports cars, and things like that, I wouldn't want it on a vehicle that has any chance of ever going down a gravel road, off road, or even running into an unusually high paring curb.
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Re: NEW 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee spy pics(thanks 12sleeper!)

remember a time when all vehicles had chrome bumpers then it faded away, everyone was saying how the plastic is garbage and now jeep is bringing it back. i like it. get rear ended with a chrome bumper see who has more damage
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Re: NEW 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee spy pics(thanks 12sleeper!)

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I fully agree with you, that's why I bought my Overland, it flat out bested the Range Rover and LR4 in every way but hp numbers.

I don't think that the way to distinguish yourself and promote yourself is to try to steal the styling from other vehicles you wish you were. I think Jeep has already done a fantastic job with designing the GC, why ruin it by adding parts from a totally different design?

IMO, the original rear was great, though I do think the V6 should have came with dual tips. It was classy, but not pretentious. They're just exhaust pipes, they don't need to be made into some crazy shape to follow some sort of styling motif. They should be circles that let out combusted air/fuel, and there is no benefit to making them anything other than a circle.

IMO, if they really want to have a vehicle that pretends to be a Mercedes, sell it as a Chrysler.

And to me, the "American feel" is the simple but elegant and classy nature of it. Rather than some crazy intricate hood ornament that gets broken off, you get a badge and a grille that lets you know exactly what it is. Rather than a nav system that requires you to use a spinny clicky knob and work around it, you touch what you want to happen on the screen and it works. Rather than a system that you have to try to find a picture that looks like what it looks like outside to set your 4x4, you just leave it in auto and drive through whatever. Rather than styling the screams that you need attention (Cadillac), a subdued but even more classy styling that oozes strength and sophistication.

The American feel is a simple yet luxurious and classy vehicle you can always depend on and never feels cheap or like it's trying to pretend to be something that it isn't. It's a vehicle that is built to be confident in itself.
I understand what your saying but i just don't get why does it have to pretend! Can't it just be what it is!!! Chrysler is trying to redefine itself post Daimler and Cerebus! I don't think Chrysler is trying to be something its not but merely being what it is and was only NOW as TRUE 21st century auto manufacturer.

We can agree to disagree but Chrysler cannot be the same company it was years ago. It still possesses the same history, values and heart as it did years ago!

Just to add! I have an '02 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited. Which does not have no plastic edges or trim, its all painted. Since the 2011+ actually ride higher, I pretty sure it will not have any problem with high curbs as I do not. There is no problem with offering that trim on certain levels where owners will take it off road (only 5% actually do) but there is no problem with offering an upscale trim comparable to what use to be in production!
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I understand what your saying but i just don't get why does it have to pretend! Can't it just be what it is!!! Chrysler is trying to redefine itself post Daimler and Cerebus! I don't think Chrysler is trying to be something its not but merely being what it is and was only NOW as TRUE 21st century auto manufacturer.

We can agree to disagree but Chrysler cannot be the same company it was years ago. It still possesses the same history, values and heart as it did years ago!

Just to add! I have an '02 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited. Which does not have no plastic edges or trim, its all painted. Since the 2011+ actually ride higher, I pretty sure it will not have any problem with high curbs as I do not. There is no problem with offering that trim on certain levels where owners will take it off road (only 5% actually do) but there is no problem with offering an upscale trim comparable to what use to be in production!
Because it's taking the styling from other marques that are very different from it. See below.







There's nothing wrong with Jeep, I just think they should pave their own way instead of following the trend of the week.
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I have to agree with others that I'm not a fan of the rear styling...Kinda looks cheesy and not well thought out. The fender flares look great on an SRT8, but this isn't and SRT, It's an Overland. So I don't get what the idea is here, sell people on the look of an SRT without the price tag? I honestly prefer the black plastic wheel arches and such as well as the rounded exhaust tips and current rear fascia better to what I've seen in the pics.

In my opinion I wouldn't have changed the rear fascia maybe updated the front fascia with projector fog lights, and tossed in the other options for the mid year refresh such as the 8spd tranny, the bigger nav, and the smart phone remote start app.
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Re: NEW 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee spy pics(thanks 12sleeper!)

Isn't it time to do something different besides the same thing that was since cars was established (Talking Merely exhaust tips) Why must the be round? I'm not saying they have to be this particular design but its really time fr something new. Like the 300 its more oval than the conventional round! Just do something different! Something!
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Because it's taking the styling from other marques that are very different from it. See below.







There's nothing wrong with Jeep, I just think they should pave their own way instead of following the trend of the week.
Daimler-Chrysler were one when the current Grand Cherokee was designed so the Mercedes SUV and the Grand Cherokee would be expected to be similar in some respects. This 2014 rear bumper could have been in the plans from the beginning. And even if it wasn't, the 2014 is still different from the Mercedes. Similar, yes, but still different. I don't see a problem.
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Re: NEW 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee spy pics(thanks 12sleeper!)

As I said, I doubt that EVERY Jeep is now going to have the same exhaust pipes as the Mercedes. Have a look at the 5-series and its pipes and guess which one is the V8 and which one the V6...





The Overland Summit is supposed to be special compared to the other models and when you are looking at the extensive list of features it will have, wouldn't the claim that it isn't a "true" Jeep any more in the first place be valid, too?

I think there are many other models available that would suit potential buyers more that want a classic Jeep - like a Limited or the regular Overland. But a Summit? I don't think so.
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