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Re: New Honda Pilot vs Grand Cherokee (warning…)

The gearing on the Ford could account for the faster 0-60 and the mediocre gas mileage

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The efficiency winner here is still the V8 Hemi.
How much can the Honda tow?

Also was it equiped the same, ie same # of air bags, class 4 hitch, pano roof, tow hooks, acoustical glass, etc

Iam avg over 22.5 for first 3400 miles all around, so beating the cd honda mileage.

Difference is honda has no off road chops and cant tow.
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Re: New Honda Pilot vs Grand Cherokee (warning…)

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How much can the Honda tow?

Also was it equiped the same, ie same # of air bags, class 4 hitch, pano roof, tow hooks, acoustical glass, etc

Iam avg over 22.5 for first 3400 miles all around, so beating the cd honda mileage.

Difference is honda has no off road chops and cant tow.
I don't buy that milage average for 3400 miles unless bought it and drove 60 on the highway and never stopped.
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I don't buy that milage average for 3400 miles unless bought it and drove 60 on the highway and never stopped.
you calling me a liar, that is why I posted that. notice the trip B miles matches the total miles, 3458.

and no other than 3 trips of 300 miles each on highway to visit family, that is the wifes trip to/from work and around town stuff, say about 65/35 highway/local stop and go.

And no my wife has a lead foot, her other two cars are PT GT sticks with mopar stage 1 computers. She probably cruises at 70-75 on the highway and she doesnt hesitate to pass the idiots.

The 8 spd really ramps up the gas mileage at 70sh with these in 4 cyl mode.
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Re: New Honda Pilot vs Grand Cherokee (warning…)

While I used to be a big Honda/Acura fan, I'd never consider taking the Pilot actually off road with confidence like you would with a Toyota or a Jeep. You don't see many hard core 4WD guys rockin' Hondas for a reason.
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OP- test drive the Pilot and the JGC and then form your own impressions. And yes- the V6 JGC is better for comparison reasons.
As I have said twice already, I intend on buying a Grand Cherokee. But, as I also implied, I want the 5.7 for better responsiveness and better acceleration. I'm not that concerned about mpg.
I am just a little dismayed when these V6 "minivans" can out drag any GC short of an SRT. (Also, again, the SRT costs too much, at least for me.)
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I am just a little dismayed when these V6 "minivans" can out drag any GC short of an SRT. (Also, again, the SRT costs too much, at least for me.)
Like I said before I still have a hard time believing those numbers. No matter what it would be a close run, but if you haven't already go drive a '14+ with the Hemi and 8spd. It really is fun, sounds awesome, and pulls pretty hard. Try putting it in sport mode and you will be like holy crap!
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Like I said before I still have a hard time believing those numbers. No matter what it would be a close run, but if you haven't already go drive a '14+ with the Hemi and 8spd. It really is fun, sounds awesome, and pulls pretty hard. Try putting it in sport mode and you will be like holy crap!

Yeah I'm right there with you. The Hemi with the 8 speed can flat move! I believe it pulls very similar numbers to the Explorer Sport. So no way does that Honda keep up...... Not happening.
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Re: New Honda Pilot vs Grand Cherokee (warning…)

We're looking at the new '16 Pilot for my wife to replace the Odyssey she's currently driving. The JGC and Pilot are two very different vehicles. We have three kids with two in car seats. Although all three can sit in the rear seat on the JGC, we need the third row and captain's chairs that the Pilot provides. It's much more of a hauler for families of 5+.
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We're looking at the new '16 Pilot for my wife to replace the Odyssey she's currently driving. The JGC and Pilot are two very different vehicles. We have three kids with two in car seats. Although all three can sit in the rear seat on the JGC, we need the third row and captain's chairs that the Pilot provides. It's much more of a hauler for families of 5+.
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We're looking at the new '16 Pilot for my wife to replace the Odyssey she's currently driving. The JGC and Pilot are two very different vehicles. We have three kids with two in car seats. Although all three can sit in the rear seat on the JGC, we need the third row and captain's chairs that the Pilot provides. It's much more of a hauler for families of 5+.
That's funny because we just got rid of our '14 Toyota Highlander Limited Platinum for that exact opposite reason lol. Even though the captains chairs are great, we have two children in car seats and possibly a third on the way eventually. With both captains chairs taken up with car seats, that pretty much made anyone else going impossible since the third row isn't the best for adults. Then with the third row up we couldn't even load a single stroller in the back. I can seat this setup being good for families that are a bit older and out of car seats, but we ended up buying a new '15 Odyssey touring and my wife absolutely loves it!!!
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Re: New Honda Pilot vs Grand Cherokee (warning…)

If this dyno graph of the 2013 Honda Accord 3.5 L V6 engine is any indication of the characteristics of this Pilot engine, I am not impressed. Firstly, those are wheel numbers not crank numbers so they are lower. And probably the 2013 Honda Accord engine is the previous generation so the new Pilot engine has a few more crank hp and lb-ft.

But the aspect that should be debated is not the absolute value of the numbers but the shape of the curves and even more importantly where the meaningful power starts. I have already stated above that Honda builds peaky engines: essentially one has to rev the engine above 4500 rpm to start making meaningful power; and the power bandwidth is a narrow 2000 rpm between 4500 and 6500 rpm.

As such, I am starting to believe that in an autocross situation (street racing if you will), the much disregarded Pentastar will wipe the floor with it. Firstly, the Pentastar starts making more than 150 whp about 500 rpm sooner than the Honda engine. In terms of torque, the same can be told: more torque at lower rpm, flatter curve.

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2013 Honda Accord 3.5 V6 Dyno Graph
http://www.knfilters.com/dynocharts/69-1212_dyno.pdf

I have no doubt the Pilot will be faster in a drag race. But I do not live my life a quarter mile at a time and I doubt that the Pilot would carve canyon roads better than the Grand Cherokee. And for the hundreds of thousands of soccer moms, wives and girlfriends who drive either one, none of these parameters matter.
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