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New Owner - Thoughts and questions

I've recently spent a lot of time using this site for research and finally pulled the trigger on a 2012 Altitude. Thanks to you all for taking the time to post all the helpful info I was looking for. To return the favor (or pay it forward), this is where I post my observations and questions as a new GC owner.

First some background:
My first vehicle ever was a 1970 CJ5. After that I had a 1990 wrangler and a 1997 wrangler. Then I got a Land Rover LR2 which is what I traded in for the GC.

Thoughts:
- I'm digging it so far
- the Land Rover navigation is superior to the 430n garmin. It was just all around better working and looking and sounding (it was like having Money Penny as a copilot).
- the LR was a bit more plush with nicer materials but not by a whole lot. The GC is super nice and a bit more utilitarian. But hey... It's a JEEP.
- I like the exterior much better
- a bit worried about 11 mpg average with the HEMI but glad to move back to regular gas (from premium) not that it makes that big of a difference.
- I really like the fact that there are forums like this where one can find info for DIY type people. The LR forums didn't have much info.

Questions:
- what's with the extended fender flaps in front of the front tires? Air flow or "eye flow"? Thinking about removing them.
- I took it to the car wash and they were able to drive it with the key fob in my pocket (I forgot it was there). What's up with that? How far can it go without the key being inside?
- sport mode? Does it make a difference?

That's it for now.
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:11 PM
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Re: New Owner - Thoughts and questions

1) airflow, several have removed them for clearance and posted photos and instructions

2) If you don't turn the car off it will run forever. As soon as you turn off the ignition, its not going to restart. Its a safety feature

3) makes a noticeable difference a little higher rpms on the shift points and quicker down shifts, better response and mpg around town, lowers the suspension so it handles a bit better. But the difference can be subjective. You'll have to try it for yourself. Many here spin the select knob to sport as part of the startup routine.


I like the Garmin Nav better than the one on the LR, but then I do a lot of routing.
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:18 PM
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Congrats on the new truck. The flaps on the front are for air flow, but I'm sure you wouldn't notice much difference if you removed them. You can drive forever without the key fob once the truck has been started. You just can't re-start it once you turn it off. The Hemi can run fine on 87 octane, but 89 is recommended. And unless you have a really heavy foot or drive solely in Manhattan, you'll see better than an 11mpg average. I do pretty much all suburban stop-and-go driving so I average about 13mpg, but it goes up significantly once I throw even a little bit of highway driving into the mix. I hardly ever use sport mode so I can't really comment on that.

*Edit - Looks like ColdCase beat me to it.
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Re: New Owner - Thoughts and questions

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2) If you don't turn the car off it will run forever. As soon as you turn off the ignition, its not going to restart. Its a safety feature
Yeah, I've noticed that too. It's not very smart though...
If someone wants to hijack my car all he has to do is drag me out of it and than drive to some safe hideout and mess with the car's computer to get full access...
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Yeah, I've noticed that too. It's not very smart though...
If someone wants to hijack my car all he has to do is drag me out of it and than drive to some safe hideout and mess with the car's computer to get full access...
I'm sure they do it for liability reasons. Imagine if the truck just cut off after a certain amount of time once the key was removed. The truck could give all the warnings in the world that it was about to cut off, but some fool would still manage to find him or herself in the middle of the interstate with a non-operative vehicle.
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Re: New Owner - Thoughts and questions

I don't think it's more dangerous than a car running without the key (and the owner).
I use to had an antitheft feature in one of my previous cars which required pushing two hidden buttons at the same time right after starting the engine.
If not - 15 or so seconds later the car was stopping.
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Yeah, I've noticed that too. It's not very smart though...
If someone wants to hijack my car all he has to do is drag me out of it and than drive to some safe hideout and mess with the car's computer to get full access...
I'm just the opposite. Thank god the truck doesn't stop if it loses the key. My battery in the fob needed changed, the truck started getting the no fob detected warning. One time it happened at 65 mph on a very busy highway, the last place I would want to have the engine stop on me.
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I don't think it's more dangerous than a car running without the key (and the owner).
I use to had an antitheft feature in one of my previous cars which required pushing two hidden buttons at the same time right after starting the engine.
If not - 15 or so seconds later the car was stopping.
Once you are talking carjacking, it's a dangerous situation period. The carjacker could just as easily point his gun at you and demand the fob.
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Re: New Owner - Thoughts and questions

Congrats on the purchase. Even though all WK2's are great, I think the Overland would have the more comparable interior to the LR. So Jeep does offer an interior on that level. As for gas just like said above, then Hemi really is a mid-grade fuel burner, but it says 87 is acceptable. So you be the judge on that. Maybe try both and see how it is. Minimal cost difference between regular and mid grade so it might be beneficial to run what's recommended.
Sport mode changes thing up a little bit. They say it becomes a little more responsive, changes the shift points up a bit, and on the Overlands it lowers the vehicle to aerodynamic ride height. Some say its a big difference, others say its minimal. I like sport for the lower ride height :-)
I love the look of the Altitude, be sure to post up some pics!!
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As others have already said, congrats, and welcome! I love my 5.7 Summit, but as with anything there is room for improvement, most notably the transmission/gear ratios/programming. I had a WJ Limited (2004, 4.7L) before my WK2 and was largely happy with it, though the WK2 Summit is worlds better. I actually chose it over an Infiniti FX50 due to the interior being just about as good and the utility of the WK2 being far superior so I'm not surprised when others choose the Jeep over traditional luxury brand vehicles.

I can't comment on the fender flaps since I don't have them, and I think the keyless ignition features you are talking about are common amongst vehicles with the same feature. My wifes Infiniti doesn't shut down when the key leaves the car (though it complains about it), and I drive a lot of rental cars and each of them with the push button ignition "don't care" that the key has left the car once it is running. Lastly, I've put my Jeep in Sport Mode plenty of times and actually prefer the way it drives in that mode. It's just annoying to have to put it in that mode whenever I start the car. I think it actually doesn't go far enough to enhance responsiveness, etc. I wish it were my savior for the crappy tranny programming, but alas it is not. It helps, but it isn't a magic pill for the kick butt responsiveness a Hemi powered GC could have if Chrysler would just let their hair down...
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Re: New Owner - Thoughts and questions

crap i wrote a whole thing and lost it cause i wanted to add a quote. didn't know i had to quote first haha.

anyway. congrats on your purchase!! i'm a recent owner as well, got the 3.6 overland. barely 3 weeks. still well in the break in phase of the gc. previous posts answered great for your questions but ill add my 2 cents on the sport mode. i defiantly feel a better response from the throttle. shifts seems to be faster, and if its not up to par for me i just down shift manually. but in the end i'd say just test it out for yourself and you'll know which one you'll prefer more. as for the mpg i have no clue yet. i still have yet to go through 1 full tank of gas. due to the fact i haven't gotten rid of my old car so i'm using that for work and the gc for leisure. if you're using the fuel economy function in the menu, don't stress about it too much. its better to just set the the mileage meter to 0 on your next fill up and see how many miles you go and divide that by the gallons you put in on ur next fill up after that. since i've been mainly in stop and go, traffic light traffic, i'm at like 11.8-12 mpg based on the thing. annoyed at first but decided to forget about it. anyway, since i do have the overland the lowered height does help from what i can tell. get better handling, less wobble. wouldn't have noticed until i started dipping in traffic. (not recommended for safe driving, only did it because of and emergency and had to get there quick)


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... It's just annoying to have to put it in that mode whenever I start the car...
have you tried leaving it in sport mode? or anyone else when you exited the car? i've left it in sport accidentally 2-3 times but haven't noticed any difference or anything wrong. are we supposed to put it back into normal before we exit?

o yea for overland drivers . when you're on the road a light. and the people in the next car are looking at ur ride, switch to sport mode and you'll get a kick from the reaction the people looking at you as your ride drops. haha. give me a good laugh here and there .

anyway. enjoy your gc!! congrats again!
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If you leave it running and walk off with your fob it will chime periodically, driving your wife nuts as you pay for coffee at the C-store.
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