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Re: New to GC,need advice on QT II vs QD II

Thank you all , you can't imagine how helpful your inputs for me . I am learning about tires too and did read the thread on OFRAII tires. I guess it still comes with Latitudes on OFRAII despite all the complaints . So after reading the posts, I am thinking about getting Goodyear silent armors as all season , off road, highway . But not sure if I can ask dealer to change it for me and negotiate the price
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Re: New to GC,need advice on QT II vs QD II

I traded in my latitudes immediately and bought silent armors
Great in snow, about net 700 to trade in 4 tires at discount tires. Couldn't get my dealer to do anything so I just bit the bullet and did it on my own
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Re: New to GC,need advice on QT II vs QD II

Well, I may be able to give some insight into your question. I grew up in the snow belt outside Buffalo, NY and for the past 7 years have lived in Fairbanks, Alaska, where I drive in arctic conditions on snow and ice-covered roads for 7 months out of the year.

Let me start by saying that you do not NEED four-wheel-drive. A front wheel drive vehicle with a good set of studded tires or winter tires (blizzaks are the best because of their excellent tread pattern and soft rubber compound which stays flexible in very cold weather) will get you where you need to go most of the time. The trick to driving in the winter isn't a 4WD vehicle. The trick is to slow down, go easy on the throttle (especially in turns) and use the throttle, not the brakes, to get yourself out of trouble if you experience a fishtail or the start of a spinout.

That being said, a four-wheel-drive or AWD vehicle is ideal for northern climates and I certainly would not put my wife and kids in anything but a 4WD vehicle for the winters we experience around here or that are prevalent in the Great Lakes region of the country.

Don't take this as an insult - but you're WAY over thinking this. ANY of Jeep's 4WD systems will do the trick for you. Heck, just a front-wheel-drive vehicle with snow tires as mentioned above will do the trick for you. The higher-end systems (like QDII) are gimmicky. It's a system designed for a serious off-roader, but ironically placed on a vehicle that most owners will never take outside suburban pavement. It's overkill, as is the "selec-terrain" system where you dial in precisely what type of terrain you'll be driving on. The reality is that most Jeep owners don't NEED 4WD and of those who do and have the QTII and QDII systems, they never change the selec-terrain dial off of "auto" mode. I'm not saying that Jeeps and sophisticated 4WD systems aren't great to have. They are!! I'm just saying that regular old QTI will serve your needs just fine. Heck, an AWD Subaru (Yuck) will suit your needs just fine. And nowadays the federal government mandates that EVERY VEHICLE have stability control. It's a system that employs engine braking and specific wheel braking to avoid fishtailing and spinning out of control. QTI combined with stability control and a good set of winter tires will be far more than you'll ever need.

Good luck! Enjoy your Jeep.
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Re: New to GC,need advice on QT II vs QD II

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The higher-end systems (like QDII) are gimmicky. It's a system designed for a serious off-roader, but ironically placed on a vehicle that most owners will never take outside suburban pavement. It's overkill, as is the "selec-terrain" system where you dial in precisely what type of terrain you'll be driving on. ... QTI combined with stability control and a good set of winter tires will be far more than you'll ever need.
Thats perfectly fine for the OP, however, I'd disagree that the QD or select terrain system is overkill (perhaps if you always drive the well plowed or dry roads of city/suburbs, but then why 4WD). Perhaps an opinion of one that doesn't need 4WD anyway. I've also driven in snow and mud country for decades now. There is a lot to be said about driver skill and tires but I don't think the QD system is designed for serious off roading, you need lockers for that. It is designed more to take the work out of maneuvering on slippery surfaces (and take the anxiety out of driving for those that have to show up at work regardless of road conditions). Brake traction control systems do chew up brakes when you use them as well as robbing power and mpg. Although in my youth I've driven my open diff no ABS no traction aids, no chains front heavy rear drive mercury comet to hunting camps where all others abandoned their 4WD vehicles where the going got rough, I do not want to have to work that hard at it today. There are videos and reviews galore where amateur drivers stop and go a QD vehicle on snowy unplowed hills without issue or wheel spin, where other vehicles need some coaxing. Although every other vehicle we ever owned (front drive, rear drive, AWD, and 4WD) as well as many visitors end up sideways in our challenging driveway at one time or another, the Jeep with QD has never had an issue. Now few of us have the driveway challenge, and I suspect many QD equipped vehicle go through life without needing or using the system.

Again, for the OP, QTI combined and a good set of winter tires will do just fine.
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Re: New to GC,need advice on QT II vs QD II

Look at all these detailed answers above. I guess the way to get a response on this forum is to say that you are a 94 lb. woman!
My 2 cents from someone who has always spent winters in the snow- The first snow fall of the season is the worst one as we all drive like we have never experience snow, after having raced around all spring, summer and fall. Once we scare the crap out of ourselves we remember the key rule: Good tires and drive slowly.
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Look at all these detailed answers above. I guess the way to get a response on this forum is to say that you are a 94 lb. woman!
My 2 cents from someone who has always spent winters in the snow- The first snow fall of the season is the worst one as we all drive like we have never experience snow, after having raced around all spring, summer and fall. Once we scare the crap out of ourselves we remember the key rule: Good tires and drive slowly.
+1 on the tires. Good winter tires make all the difference in the world.
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Re: New to GC,need advice on QT II vs QD II

Thank you , may be you are right and I am over thinking the snow driving. I guess I just was scared since I never drove in the snow before , even though I grew up in Siberia . But back then I didn't have a car .And really in Hawaii people don't know much about winter tires and how to drive in the snow ). . But after reading your posts and learning , I feel more comfortable .
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Re: New to GC,need advice on QT II vs QD II

When the first snows fall, take your Jeep to some deserted parking lot with snow on it, and see how your vehicle handles, starting slow at first. Also when you get north, there will be probably be lots of people willing to give you pointers or even a test drive in the snow. Safe winter driving courses are another option. Good luck!
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Re: New to GC,need advice on QT II vs QD II

Keep in mind that even though you may have better traction and acceleration with AWD, 4WD, QT1,QT II, QD II , when on snow or ice, it doesn't mean you have any better braking/stopping ability. First snow storm take it to an empty parking lot and get a feel for how it accelerates, including when turning, brakes and especially, how it turns when braking on snow/ice. I don't know if AWD/4WD is a necessity in New England area, but I've lived here for 54 years and I love having the ability to go where and when I want regardless of the weather conditions.
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Re: New to GC,need advice on QT II vs QD II

FWIW: I live in the Chicago area and when they salt the roads in cold temps, the snowmelt refreezes before they make it back for another pass. I use snow mode in Select Terrain because the 2nd gear take off eliminates the wheel spin that I experience in Auto.
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Thank you , will try that
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Re: New to GC,need advice on QT II vs QD II

QDII is the best, QTII is probably all you will ever need. I have and wanted QDII but I wouldn't knock anybody for QTII. Same set up, QDII has electronically controlled limited slip rear.
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