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Re: New Wk2 Overland v8 or 3 year old used X5 4.8i??

What are you planning on using the vehicle for? Are you ever going to take it off road? If not, test drive the WK2, and see how you like it compared to the X5. If you think the X5 drives better, and offers more of what you want, stay with that.
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Can you elaborate on how it is superior to X5?
Yea man.

Superior aspects:
It's much quieter at speed than the X5. When driving over the cobbles, there aren't any creaks or vibrations or anything of the sort. The steering is not as heavy and just as precise. The fit and finish of the interior looks better, feels better, and is more comfortable. The QL suspension is downright awesome. It has a Garmin nav interface (the X5's sucked, and updates were $$$). It has skid plates (i know the X5 is a soft-roader and the GC is an off-roader, but i find myself in the dirt more and more these days). The rear seats have a bunch of recline, and people don't bitch about having to sit in back anymore. IT HAS MORE CUP HOLDERS. The nav screen gets wayyyy dimmer than the lowest setting in the X5 (I like the cabin free of any harsh light at night). The EVIC gives me access to more temperatures (oil, coolant, trans, etc.) then the iDrive in the X5. The EVIC is way easier and much faster to use then iDrive, I can get tire pressures at all four corners way faster. The seats have higher and firmer bolsters. It has vented seats (I know they're an option for the X5, but it's $$$). The rests for my elbows and softer and in much better positions. The steering wheel telescopes farther out than in the X5, I'm 6'3" and I want my legs to be extended, but I want my arms relaxed with my elbows on the rests and my hands on the wheel. The GC's closer steering wheel makes this much easier. Built-in power inverter. More rear-seat leg room. The GC tows 7400lbs, the X5 is not rated for that. It's more torsionally rigid than the X5. It has a full 100 more horsepower than the diesel X5. It carries a full size spare (The X5 had NO spare because it had harsh run-flats). It has the ELSD, the X5 was very smart about tractions, but it had open diffs. It's solid and well designed. And the most important; it's made in America.

Same as the X5:
The headlights; they're both HID's from Valeo. The range of the wiper blades in both trucks cover the entire windshield. Both feel extremely well planted. Same-ish cargo area. They both come in white. iPod integration and bumpin' stereo. Real fat steering wheel. Delicious smelling leather. Heated steering wheel and front+rear seats. Big-ass brakes. Neat, clean and tidy under hood (everything is zip tied together and insulated or sheathed). Variable valve timing. Long sunroof.

Inferior to the X5:
The headlights don't swivel when you turn, the X5's ability to look around corners was really nice. The engine and trans; the X5 had a 260hp, 425lb-ft torque, twin turbo, I6 diesel mated to a 6 speed and it was wonderful, the 5.7L V8 is a great engine, but the diesel is better. 650 highway miles/tank; the X5 has a smaller fuel tank (22.5 gallons) but I could easily go 650 highway miles on a road trip without stopping. Handling; the X5 cornered like it was on rails, and at 70mph, was much more responsive then the GC. I know that this is the trade-off for offroad ability, so it doesn't bother me in the least. The seats; they're a lot firmer then the X5 and will just take some getting used to. The touch screen; although the X5's iDrive was awful, touch screen systems aint no prize either, and with an iPod hooked up in the GC, when you shut the truck off it resets to FM radio, you could leave the X5 for a month and when the radio turned on, it would be right where it left off in the middle of some song, it was slick. The GC is slower off the line, but they're both trucks with plenty of power, not sports cars, and the comparison of 0-60 times in this type of vehicle is stupid.

Except for a few minor things that come with the territory when buying a $60,000+ car, the GC is an all around BETTER vehicle. The superior aspects of the GC far outweigh the inferior aspects. And for 45k, its a no-brainer.

THAT is how it's better than a X5.
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Re: New Wk2 Overland v8 or 3 year old used X5 4.8i??

Ditch the Beamer and get a WK...I don't think you'll be disappointed. Not one bit.
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Re: New Wk2 Overland v8 or 3 year old used X5 4.8i??

I am going from a GL 450 to an Overland....for the reason that my GL is going to come off warranty and I believe the JGC Overland is a better all round SUV when you figure in off-road ability. I know the GL is a bit different from the X5, but it was a sweet on road SUV. In addition, the value you are getting in an Overland compared to the luxury brands made me pull the trigger.
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Re: New Wk2 Overland v8 or 3 year old used X5 4.8i??

If you are looking for sporty ride and have money to mantain or buy extended warranty keep the X5. It is a street monster with such a low point of gravity. I drive often my friend's newer X5 and can take 360 deg freeway ramp with 55mph. If I try the same with my WJ Overland I am sure I will roll over. My 4,7 HO is very fast but the 6-turbo the BMW has with the 6 speed transmission is worth the extra money you pay. Never drove 4,8i but I am sure is even better. Braking is a lot better and with the fast electronics the X-drive system is very capable for wet/snow.
I am like you trying to decide X5 or upgrade my WJ Overland with WK2.
Jeeps are still switching NAV units , adding options and etc. I would wait atleast 1 or 2 more months if you want to get the Jeep. But BMW has sweet offer on the 2011 X35d - savings of $8k and 0.9% (post #10)http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=496193
Jeep has great interior/exterior. But I hope they are not using cheap China steel to build all the mechanical parts. My friend with 2008 GMC Denaly already has a lot of bad bearings including on 3 of the wheels in only 42K miles.
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Re: New Wk2 Overland v8 or 3 year old used X5 4.8i??

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The X5 is not an off road capable vehicle. It's a high performance AWD sedan with more ground clearance.

From the X5 manual, page 133: "Do not drive on un-paved terrain"

The OP has already driven his X5 for 3 years while under lease. Did it ever occur to you that he doesn't need an off-road capable vehicle? If he did, I'm quite sure he wouldn't be questioning whether he should keep the X5 or go with a WK2, considering the fact that the X5 is basically a street-oriented vehicle.

I've read that 90% of Grand Cherokees don't ever leave the pavement, so it is safe to say that the majority of people who choose to buy them don't care much about off-road ability. Clearly a lot of forum members (myself included) do care, but most do not.
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Re: New Wk2 Overland v8 or 3 year old used X5 4.8i??

I live in the NE and do a lot of snowboarding. I need to be able to drive in the mountains in very bad snow storms. The X5 handles pretty well
In the snow, but not as good as my old jeep.
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Re: New Wk2 Overland v8 or 3 year old used X5 4.8i??

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I live in the NE and do a lot of snowboarding. I need to be able to drive in the mountains in very bad snow storms. The X5 handles pretty well
In the snow, but not as good as my old jeep.
What kind of tires on the X5? I know BMW likes to put wide and low profile performance tires on the X5. With a decent set of winter tires, the X5 should be great in the winter.

BTW, the Range Rover Sport guys have the same dilemma......they get sports car tires and then get frustrated that the vehicle sucks in snow. A simple tire swap and they're golden.
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The OP has already driven his X5 for 3 years while under lease. Did it ever occur to you that he doesn't need an off-road capable vehicle? If he did, I'm quite sure he wouldn't be questioning whether he should keep the X5 or go with a WK2, considering the fact that the X5 is basically a street-oriented vehicle.

I've read that 90% of Grand Cherokees don't ever leave the pavement, so it is safe to say that the majority of people who choose to buy them don't care much about off-road ability. Clearly a lot of forum members (myself included) do care, but most do not.
Has it occured to you that anyone casually researching the X5, particularly in comparison to the GC, might assume it actually has some off road capability? How many X5 owners know they have a lots of low lying components easily susceptible to damage even on light off pavement terrain (well, besides the ones that are towed in for repair)?

SUV implies a degree of toughness to most people.

I'm, fairly certain that that the only time the little comment on page 135 comes up is when an X5 owner tries to file a warranty claim.

My comment was a public service announcement.
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Has it occured to you that anyone casually researching the X5, particularly in comparison to the GC, might assume it actually has some off road capability? How many X5 owners know they have a lots of low lying components easily susceptible to damage even on light off pavement terrain (well, besides the ones that are towed in for repair)?

SUV implies a degree of toughness to most people.

I'm, fairly certain that that the only time the little comment on page 135 comes up is when an X5 owner tries to file a warranty claim.

My comment was a public service announcement.
The OP isn't researching the X5....he's already been driving it for 3 years. Now if you're talking about someone else who might be researching the X5 on a Jeep forum, I'd agree with you. But of course that's not very likely to happen, now is it?
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The OP isn't researching the X5....he's already been driving it for 3 years. Now if you're talking about someone else who might be researching the X5 on a Jeep forum, I'd agree with you. But of course that's not very likely to happen, now is it?
In a few days, if someone enters "overland or X5" in google, this thread will come up in the search results.

I have nothing against the X5, but just as 90% of GC's never go offroad, I'll bet 90% or more of X5 buyers have no idea it can't leave paved surfaces.

Even non-off roaders take some comfort in knowing they have off road capability, just in case.
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Re: New Wk2 Overland v8 or 3 year old used X5 4.8i??

I actually had a colleuge trying to convince me that X5 was the better off-roader! He said that he saw a test by Top Gear/Fifth Gear comparing X5, Grand Cherokee, LR4, Range Rover Sport, Land Cruiser and Touareg. Said the X5 came out tops in ALL tests.
Bet him $500 he could not show me the clip - guess what? I am still waiting...
My point is that there are lots of people out there that has no idea of what a X5 was designed for.
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