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newbie here, thinking of buying, suggestions?

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#1 ·
I'm sold on the diesel so that's a go. Can't decide if I want to step up to the Off Road Adventure II or just get the I, is the 100% locking diff really useful? I don't plan on doing serious off road or rock climbing with it but plenty of in the snow driving. Any other suggestions on options?
 
#7 ·
As stated, sometimes it's useful for other situations that are not involving off-road. Where you live might be a factor...if you are in the snow belt, it's worthy of your consideration if your budget will support the highest level drive-train. I never go off-road (outside of some muddy parking areas at horse shows) or a rare beach drive and we don't get that much snow in this area, but I like knowing that I do have the tiny bit if extra capability that is inherent with QD.
 
#15 ·
I didn't want the quadra lift for a couple of reasons. Longevity/drivability of the air springs is questionable, there are other threads and other forums that report issues. I have full intention of installing an ARB OME suspension system for increased suspension travel & ride height and the quadra lift would negate that. With all of the other potential gremlins that could invariably pop up in these cars, the choice to eliminate a expensive questionable option was welcomed. Decreasing the purchase price by eliminating said option was also great.


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#13 ·
Why are you sold in the diesel, have you seen the gas v6 mileage and price of gas lately? I get it if you tow very often otherwise makes zero sense with all the extra cost up front and maintenance


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#31 · (Edited)
Why are you sold in the diesel, have you seen the gas v6 mileage and price of gas lately? I get it if you tow very often otherwise makes zero sense with all the extra cost up front and maintenance
I particularly like the 30mpg and more importantly the range on a single tank of gas. That's worth paying extra for in my book. I plan on keeping the car for 200k miles so it should even out. It would be a much better argument for diesel if the price was half for that engine. I'm guessing in the next model generation it will be as the manufacturer tries to meet tougher mandates. The US will continue to see more and more cars sold with diesel engines each year. One thing to note, the US has much higher taxes on diesel fuel, about 3x the tax that's on gasoline. If that tax was more in line with gasoline then it would be a lot easier to convert everyone to wanting diesel. E85 was cheaper but once the consumer found out it got worse mileage then that gimmick died.
 
#14 ·
In Oz fuel is a lot dearer so diesel makes sense, but even if fuel was cheap the diesel power and relaxed feel makes it easy and relaxed to drive. The low down grunt and launch off line is awesome. I drag just about anything off at the lights and still 10lt/100.
 
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#18 ·
Those of in Oz can't understand why anyone would want a petrol vehicle.
In Oz unleaded fuel is current running at 1.59.9 per liter and our unleaded fuel is crap to say the least.
We also have lots of huge distances
Just makes more sense to go diesel


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#16 ·
Quadralift is not questionable unless you read some old posts by the Toyota trolls that were on here early on. Most if not all the early issues were fixed with software changes to the body control module IIRC.


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#17 ·
A lot of people including myself just don't want QL. It's pointless for those of us who want to lift or lower permanently.


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#20 ·
In the US, many folks buy diesels because they want to buy a diesel...it's not about fuel cost or maintenance cost or anything else. It's because for them, it's the right choice. It's not about "making sense" to anyone else.
 
#21 · (Edited)
Yea the 1 % of the new car sales a year are diesels in the US. Clearly what makes sense to the 99% is gasoline here. That's the point I'm making.

Diesels in other countries are more favorable because of the factors in those environments and their price.

Clearly there are people that defy sensible choices though. Just not enough to make a difference in the US marketplace. So really not sure what you quantify "many" as...


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#24 ·
Gasoline is still $3.39 locally and $3.59 across the street from that station...(regular) Diesel is $3.69.
 
#26 ·
You people can't handle facts lol. Keep making things up in your heads. Like I said even using the national average the price doesn't have people running to buy diesels here. Gas is king and will be for a long time so your "Many" 1%ers are nothing compared to what clearly is the majorities choice in using gasoline as the right choice for them as well...


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#27 ·
You people can't handle facts lol

What facts are you actually referring to? Because as of this point, on this thread, and on any other thread you've ruined, you have yet to provide any actual hard facts with empirical data that shows exactly what it is you're talking about. You've gone to great links to spout off some rhetorical numbers - numbers that seem to make you "lol" "rofl" or "thumbs up(to your own posts)". Your not contributing anything by ramrodding your opinions down everybody else's throats. Yes, these boards are for sharing opinions, but when you share your opinions and comments they become biased and negative. Why it is you go out of your way to bash anyone that doesn't conform to your mindset is very questionable.


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#28 · (Edited)
Fact one percent of car sales in the us are diesel.

Fact the national average gas price today 10/20 is 3.20 a gallon.

Its pathetic that you seriously can't deal with the fact that people that buy diesels in the us based on the fact that they are good on gas come out huge losers in the deal unless they tow heavy loads regularly.

Like I said in other countries this differs greatly and diesels can actually be the better choice. Here though you stand alone in the vast minority.

Sorry you are in denial. But no lol's about this one your just annoying I'm not pushing my view on anyone the numbers speak for themselves. I'm sure I'll come back to find you clearly disregard how much more expensive the diesel option is in every single fashion for US owners from upfront costs, double maintenance, higher prices at the pump, no lifetime warranty available, and def addition regularly, more complex unnecessary emissions systems bound to cause further issues down the road.

That will all be ignored because hey, you bought a diesel so you're biased and being a sore loser when facts speak for themselves.


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#29 ·
So don't buy one...and don't fret about anybody else who chooses differently. What's good for them doesn't have to be good for you. Like I said, it's a choice and a subjective one, at that.
 
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