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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

Thank you all for responding and giving your input.

While I do agree that forums usually have nothing but complaints in them about certain products and can be a means of providing a wealth of information, I guess its the history and track record of Jeep that leaves me with doubt.

I understand all car manufacturers can have lemons and recalls, but Honda, Toyota, and Nissan seem to always have a good reputation with reliability. I always hear horrible things about Ford and esp. Chrysler.

Its great to hear some of you are having no problems with the GC and sharing your stories. I was hoping many would post and prove me wrong and it seems like their are a good number not experiencing problems. I sometimes think and say to myself "I should just bite the bullet and go for it". I may just do that because I am looking at all the mid range SUV's and none of them catch my eye like the GC.

I had a scare yesterday with my 97 camry that might have had a blown head gasket and was visualizing myself driving the GC, haha. I was quoted 2000 bucks in repairs but I think I found the real problem and it only costs 28 bucks. Anyhow, that is another story of itself.

I thank you for understanding my thought process as this is not an easy choice to make.
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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

I traded a 2009 Subaru Forester turbo for my new 2012 Grand Cherokee Hemi. The Subaru, which many would regard as a trouble free vehicle gave me problems from the time it had 5 miles on it when I pulled out of the dealership....a steering wheel vibration at highway speeds that they could never get rid of and Subaru wouldn't even admit existed.

I'm overjoyed to have my new GC, and proud to be buying an American car again, and I can tell that it is a quality product even at 150 miles on the odometer. The problem with forums like this is that you tend to hear more from people that are unhappy than those that are happy. When people are unhappy with a product, they're vocal about it...when they're happy, it's not on their mind. I wouldn't worry about what you read here, as there are always going to be cars with problems, no matter what brand.
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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

In 1998, I felt the same way but my new 1997 Explorer was such a problem, I gave it up at 11,000 miles and traded for a new 1998 Grand Cherokee Special Edition, then a 2001 GC Limited, a 2004 GC Limited, (tuck a 2005 Chrysler 300C in here making the GC a second vehicle), a 2007 GC Limited, and finally a 2011 GC Overland.

I have never had any problems with any of these vehicles and indeed I loved all of them (especially the 98 GC and the 300C). My friends are always trying to buy my vehicles when I am considering new so I guess I must take good care of them but none has ever let me down in any way whatsoever.

I wish you the best, it's a tough (and significant) decision. Research is proper and first hand feedback is probably best.

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The WK2 is an awesome vehicle for several reasons and outside of the leather wear issue I have had no problems what so ever. The reasons behind the greatness of the WK2 are too numerous to list here, but I will try. Seriously though, in my opinion the main reason that the WK2 is so great is that it can compete with just about every other SUV out there. For instance lets say your budget has you looking at 2 wheel drive Honda Pilot. The WK2 equivalent, 4x2 Laredo with the V6. Maybe its a 4 runner your Comparing too, WK2 Limited 4x4 with a V8 is the answer. Maybe you want a luxury SUV that looks better than a Lexus and can hang with a Range Rover, the WK2 Overland Summit V8 has got you covered. Maybe just maybe your the kind of guy that wants all out luxury performance, and sense your on this site and considering a Jeep we all ready know that your not arrogant or self absorbed enough to own BMW X5 let alone a complete prick that would warrant an X5M. However, the WK2 SRT8 would put a smile on your face when the self absorbed arrogant prick BMW X5M driver was staring at your tail lights trying to keep up (Not all people who drive BMW's are pricks, just people who buy M series cars ). My point is that whether you want to spend $25,000 or $60,000 Jeep has a model for everyone and in my opinion they are the best in every class. My one word of advise if you do purchase any WK2, and there are many different opinions about this as well, purchase the Chrysler extended warranty. It covers the vehicle for LIFE.
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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

Have you heard of the lifetime warranty offered by Chrysler? I believe you can get it for less than 2K, or they have a 7 year warranty for less than 1K.

I guess it depends on what price range youíre looking at. Youíre not going to find a better off-road capable SUV for less than 30K. I know, because I just spent the last two months doing the research!


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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

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While I do agree that forums usually have nothing but complaints in them about certain products and can be a means of providing a wealth of information, I guess its the history and track record of Jeep that leaves me with doubt.
I'm a long time Toyota and Lexus owner, so I am used to quality and reliability. I also manage the forums at a large Lexus forum site and you should see some of the postings on there about what most people would call the most reliable brand of cars on the road. You'd think they were total jalopies by reading the forums. Forums are not representative of the population that owns a vehicle at all. People find them when they are enthusiasts, or have problems. Thats it. Most owners just happily own, but aren't enthusiasts and don't have problems.

I too was skeptical, but I came to the following conclusion:

When buying something like a Jeep or other Chrysler product, GM, or Ford you kind of have to realize that these are companies in the middle of a renaissance. You can't really look at what they were doing in 2000, or 2005...because these companies are completely different companies than they were then, and they are making completely different products, and they are making FAR better products then they were back then. We're talking completely different corporate philosophies, management, even ownership.

I think you do take a little chance vs something like a Toyota that is built by a company that has a long track record of excellence, but you can't look at Jeep's prior histories because its just an entirely different company and product today.

I can also tell you, I have been around Toyotas all my life. I've owned a bunch of them going back to 1998, and I have family thats owned them back into the 70s, etc. I can tell you, although I am a big Toyota/Lexus fan...they do not build a car like they used to. Today's Camry is not like your 97 Camry. That car is a rock, great materials, all the components built to last. I have coworkers with newer Camrys...quite frankly...they're shitty cars. Cheap materials, terrible carpeting, rattles, panels that fall off...its an embarrassment.

Give it a shot. If you're worried about it, lease it for 3 years. If its a pain...give it back. I looked at EVERYTHING, and literally nothing offers the quality, features, capability in as attractive a package at the price of the WK2.
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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

In February, I traded in a 2008 Infiniti G37S 6M Coupe with VERY low miles to get my V8 Overland 4x4. I have never owned an American car so I was very hesitant, but I do my research. My only problem after 20,000 miles is the wear on my Saddle interior but I absolutely love the WK2. Do I miss my G37S, yes, but this vehicle has so many nice features that I did not have (ventilated seats, heated steering wheel etc) I will keep it for awhile longer.
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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

Coming up on 16K miles on my WK2...have a few noises that I need to get to the right dealer to fix, and there have been a few minor defects and software updates. I have not had many of the issues reported on this and other forums so I consider us to be fortunate.

I'd have to admit that we've had more issues with our Jeep than we did with our Toyota and Subaru in the same time period/mileage...but while we got a good life out of the Subaru (11 years/178K miles) and the Toyota is still with us at 11 years/195K miles, both cars had things go wrong with them that cost a lot to fix, especially after they hit over 100K miles.

My own assessment of WK2 quality/reliability so far is that it's quite good for the first year of a redesign but that Jeep isn't quite to the level of the competition yet. That said the Jeep is a much better ride than the current offerings from Japanese makes IMHO, so I'm a little more tolerant of issues at this point.
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Sold my "06 G35 (which was a great car with no issues) and got a 2012 Overland! No problems yet and couldn't be happier. *knocks wood*
I Traded in my 2008 Infiniti G35x for the 2012 Limited, Still on order, but very excited.

The car caught my eye from day one of the redesign. My parents have owned jeeps since 97, brother in law has one, sister in law has one.

They are the original 4x4 vehicle. You dont see the army ordering Toyotas or Kias.
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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

Any car can have problems whether its domestic or foreign.
my mom had a 2002 camry that had such major problems she had to get rid of it
now she has a 2010 acura TL with less than 36,000 miles and its currently at the dealer for major issue and they don't know what it is.

My previous car was a 2007 ford fusion......great car!!! never had any problems, when i traded it in it had about 80,000 miles on it

I believe american cars have come a long way in the reliability dept...:-)
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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

I had a 2005 Ram and 300C, both rock solid vehicles. Traded the '05 Ram for a 2011 model that was a complete POS. Got to looking at the Jeeps and traded it for a 2012 Limited, which in 3500 miles, has only been back for an oil change. Never traded within a year before and probably didn't come out all that great fiscally, but it just goes to show you, you can have good and bad experiences from the same manufacturer. I hope the Jeep ends up being as good as the 2005 units were. So far, it "feels" like it will.
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Have you heard of the lifetime warranty offered by Chrysler? I believe you can get it for less than 2K, or they have a 7 year warranty for less than 1K.
Yeah, the lifetime warranty can be gotten for a pretty darn good price online. I've seen as low as around $1700. I'll likely be getting one myself.

But, still, reliability is not always just a matter of "how much is thing vehicle to cost me over the long run". It's often (for me) also a matter (and often even *more* a matter) of dealing with the time & hassle of getting it fixed, working with the service department during the middle of your busy work day, and/or getting a rental if you don't have access to alternative transporation, etc.
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