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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

Wow, very insightful posts and funny stories. I would like to go back and respond to every single posts but their are too many. You guys have more than helped me.

I showed the wifey your responses and now she is dead set on a WK2 . I have to admit that your postings have convinced me to go out and get one. Even though I know you guys are a bunch of enthusiasts and a small sector of what the general population represents.

I will most likely buy the lifetime warranty when the time comes to shop for one. I am going to tests drive one first to see if I like the ride.

SW03ES, thanks for the insightful posts. I have to agree that it seems its the best bang for my buck and the looks are killer on the WK2. I just found out that my camry did not need a 2000 dollar repair and a 28 dollar oem radiator cap was all it took to fix it. So my 97 Camry is 210K and still running like a champ!
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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

Fishnugget - Welcome to the Forum and glad you are heading toward picking up a WK2. I don't think you'll be sorry - I've been loving mine for 8+ months now.

We'll look forward to hearing what color and options you go for - and of course the pics when you get your new baby!
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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

I recently ordered a 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland. I too was skeptical, but looked at what I was getting for the amount of money I had to pay for it. The car I'm getting rid of to get the JGC is a 2005 Cayenne Turbo. I'm used to nice leather interiors and better plastics. However, the Cayenne is old technology-wise and it took Porsche until 2009 to equip their cars with bluetooth. I didn't buy the Cayenne new (I have bought very few cars new - the Jeep will probably be my 4th new car) and it had a $100,000 sticker back in 2005. I paid a fraction of that in February when I bought it. I had looked at the 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee's in December 2010, but wasn't convinced at the time to buy one. I bought the Cayenne Turbo instead. I've put 19,000 miles on the Cayenne. While it is fast in a straight line, it doesn't drive that great overall. I also got tired of the extra maintenance it required and cost of it at the Porsche dealership. I drove the JGC again a few months ago and started to really like it. I'm looking forward to picking it up from the dealership soon.
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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

Netcoolery- Thanks for the kind words.

rushdrive- Cool story. I have to agree when I saw it in person I like the GC even more.

Yesterday my wife and I drove to take a look at them and I got to test drive one. I drove the Overland Summit and it was really sweet to drive. The wifey really liked the Mineral Gray and Quadra Lift feature, even though I see problems with those air suspension designs, however its still cool. She also commented on how easy it was to fold down the seats.

Some things I did not like so far were the chrome handles and chrome side mirrors. They should give you the option to have those like the Laredo. The Saddle interior is nice but a Saddle dash was not my taste. I also did not like the wood grain on the steering wheel, prefer all leather.

Overall, these are minor things that I can live with or change later. No doubt the vehicle was nice and if I bought one I would consider the lifetime warranty that is bumper to bumper. However, I am sometimes skeptical on dealerships warranty too, thinking later if my car breaks they will put out every excuse not to cover it.

Anybody exercise their lifetime warranty yet? What broke and how did the dealership repsond? Thanks again, its looking like I am on my way to becoming a GC owner.
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Old 12-08-2011, 11:28 AM
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However, I am sometimes skeptical on dealerships warranty too, thinking later if my car breaks they will put out every excuse not to cover it.

Anybody exercise their lifetime warranty yet? What broke and how did the dealership repsond?
In my experience, dealerships are on the customer's side when it comes to honoring factory warranties. It's in their best interest to be, since it's Chrysler's money paying for the fix, not the dealership's money. If the factory warranty stops getting honored, then the customer will likely take the vehicle to an independent dealer to get problems fixed for cheaper. No more money from Chrysler going to the dealership, then.

The day I bought my WK2, the dealer (finance guy) didn't even bring up Chrysler extended warranties. He tried to sell me a warranty from some third party company. I thought that odd and wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole. Factory-backed or nothing for me.
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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

Thanks for the info. Jeeters,

I just read up on the lifetime warranty thread and will definitely be going this route especially if I want the Quadra Lift. Now my next goal is to find the best price on a 2012 Overland or Summit.
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Now I may be wrong, but it seems to me like the third party warranty companies are always going out of business i.e. Mogie
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. . . still, reliability is not always just a matter of "how much is thing vehicle to cost me over the long run". It's often (for me) also a matter (and often even *more* a matter) of dealing with the time & hassle of getting it fixed, working with the service department during the middle of your busy work day, and/or getting a rental if you don't have access to alternative transporation, etc.
jeeters nailed it for me. It's exactly why I keep going back and forth on the decision to buy a new JGC.

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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

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Netcoolery- Thanks for the kind words.

rushdrive- Cool story. I have to agree when I saw it in person I like the GC even more.

Yesterday my wife and I drove to take a look at them and I got to test drive one. I drove the Overland Summit and it was really sweet to drive. The wifey really liked the Mineral Gray and Quadra Lift feature, even though I see problems with those air suspension designs, however its still cool. She also commented on how easy it was to fold down the seats.

Some things I did not like so far were the chrome handles and chrome side mirrors. They should give you the option to have those like the Laredo. The Saddle interior is nice but a Saddle dash was not my taste. I also did not like the wood grain on the steering wheel, prefer all leather.

Overall, these are minor things that I can live with or change later. No doubt the vehicle was nice and if I bought one I would consider the lifetime warranty that is bumper to bumper. However, I am sometimes skeptical on dealerships warranty too, thinking later if my car breaks they will put out every excuse not to cover it.

Anybody exercise their lifetime warranty yet? What broke and how did the dealership repsond? Thanks again, its looking like I am on my way to becoming a GC owner.
What problems do you see with the air suspension designs? Car manufacturers have been using air suspension for a long time. By now, the designs should be pretty good. I had an Audi Allroad which did not become an issue for me, but I do recall it was expensive to fix the air suspension on that car. But that was probably in 2001 or 2002. Ten years later designs are better. I also have a Range Rover Sport Supercharged which has air suspension. The one I have now is the second one I've owned and have had no issues with the air suspension. I certainly hope the Jeep doesn't have any issues, but don't expect that it will.

If you don't like all the chrome, don't get an Overland Summit. I don't like all the chrome used on the Jeep either. When I pick my Overland up in a few days it is immediately going to a body shop to paint the grill, mirror caps, and piece between the tail lights body color. I probably will paint the door handles as well. I also might get rid of the chrome molding strip on the doors and replace them with the letters from the SRT8.
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What problems do you see with the air suspension designs? Car manufacturers have been using air suspension for a long time. By now, the designs should be pretty good. I had an Audi Allroad which did not become an issue for me, but I do recall it was expensive to fix the air suspension on that car. But that was probably in 2001 or 2002. Ten years later designs are better. I also have a Range Rover Sport Supercharged which has air suspension. The one I have now is the second one I've owned and have had no issues with the air suspension. I certainly hope the Jeep doesn't have any issues, but don't expect that it will.

If you don't like all the chrome, don't get an Overland Summit. I don't like all the chrome used on the Jeep either. When I pick my Overland up in a few days it is immediately going to a body shop to paint the grill, mirror caps, and piece between the tail lights body color. I probably will paint the door handles as well. I also might get rid of the chrome molding strip on the doors and replace them with the letters from the SRT8.
Well...back in early 90's my dad had a Lincoln Continental with air bags and their was loads of problems with that car, including the air suspension. Furthermore, I have heard of other people with air suspensions having problems. So I would say a car without the air suspensions would be less prone to problems. I did reason the same way in that its now 2011 and the design should be much better developed. Also, with lifetime warranty it should be even better.

I do have my eye on the Overland and not the Summit. I agree with you on the chrome and will do the same when I get the car. What bothers me most is the chrome side mirrors and door handles. Those things are going to be hard to maintain scratch free. It is much easier to buff out paint scratches than chrome scratches. I don't know why Jeep was so big on chrome. The side chrome molding I can tolerate but was thinking of doing the same thing you are and just replacing it with the Grand Cherokee lettering.
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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

I am a new Jeep owner coming from various European brands. My past vehicles have been solid. I was concerned about the reliability and resale value of the JGC but the value proposition was to good not to take a chance. After 5 months and 8k miles of ownership it has been a very solid vehicle. I do receive complements (usually when stopping for gas) on the styling. Can I nit-pick some items, yes. However this can be said about most vehicles.

I have the Overland model and has previously been stated, I am not a fan of the chrome trim. I would prefer a solid color scheme (i.e. SRT8).

The air suspension has a greater risk of failure vs. a traditional suspension setup. However this technology is not new only to Jeep. For long-term ownership the extended warranty would address any potential drawbacks. I had it on my Audi Q7, in 3-years and 80k miles there were zero issues.

Forums by nature reflect more of the complaints and/or issues. This is usually a small sample. In general, in-terms of quality, the Jeep has been very good for a first year design.

Good luck with your decision.



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I am a new Jeep owner coming from various European brands. My past vehicles have been solid. I was concerned about the reliability and resale value of the JGC but the value proposition was to good not to take a chance. After 5 months and 8k miles of ownership it has been a very solid vehicle. I do receive complements (usually when stopping for gas) on the styling. Can I nit-pick some items, yes. However this can be said about most vehicles.

I have the Overland model and has previously been stated, I am not a fan of the chrome trim. I would prefer a solid color scheme (i.e. SRT8).

The air suspension has a greater risk of failure vs. a traditional suspension setup. However this technology is not new only to Jeep. For long-term ownership the extended warranty would address any potential drawbacks. I had it on my Audi Q7, in 3-years and 80k miles there were zero issues.

Forums by nature reflect more of the complaints and/or issues. This is usually a small sample. In general, in-terms of quality, the Jeep has been very good for a first year design.

Good luck with your decision.



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NHman,

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I have never owned a European car, but I was considering BMW X5. However, that car is much more money than the JGC. I agree that the JGC is a much better value and I actually like the exterior much better than the X5.

Yesterday I walked into another dealership and made them run the numbers because I wanted to know how much money I would pay for the JGC. To my surprise the financing was a lot lower than I had expected. The numbers they gave me were the following for a 2012 Overland Mineral Grey 4x4 V6 with Black leather interior:

$40165 out the door
2.75% APR for 72 months at $601
$3K down payment

How does this sound?

It seemed like a good deal when I was there but after walking away I am pretty sure I can get the monthly payment lower with less of a down payment because credit unions are offering 1.9% APR, and I found I had excellent credit.
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