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Every car brand has some problems. I still drive 2004 Jeep GC Overland and 2004 Chrysler 300. Love them and have zero problems so far. Actually looking for reason to replace them with new WK2 and possibly new 300, but when they run problem free and have no payments is hard to convince my self to spend 80K. In the other end I've lost one of my best friends and his girlfriend in rollover accident with Toyota. Roof collapsed and they died! My other friend had a t-bone accident with BMW x5. Bimmer drove away with a dent on the door and her Toyota Sienna was totaled and she had serious head injury. Personally I would not drive Toyota EVER!
Don't knock Toyota - I tagged a guard rail corner-on at 50 in a Camry and drove the car away from it - bent the rail back 3 feet. Banged the front end up pretty good and you could push the bumper in a ways, but it never came off. Fair amount of underlying damage though. I'm pretty sure my '01 Cherokee wouldn't have done that, I'd be lucky if it didn't flip in the slide.

(for the record, i'm trading that '01 for a '12 Grand hopefully at the end of the month...)
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NHman,

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I have never owned a European car, but I was considering BMW X5. However, that car is much more money than the JGC. I agree that the JGC is a much better value and I actually like the exterior much better than the X5.

Yesterday I walked into another dealership and made them run the numbers because I wanted to know how much money I would pay for the JGC. To my surprise the financing was a lot lower than I had expected. The numbers they gave me were the following for a 2012 Overland Mineral Grey 4x4 V6 with Black leather interior:

$40165 out the door
2.75% APR for 72 months at $601
$3K down payment

How does this sound?

It seemed like a good deal when I was there but after walking away I am pretty sure I can get the monthly payment lower with less of a down payment because credit unions are offering 1.9% APR, and I found I had excellent credit.
At $40,165 out the door and $3,000 down, you would be financing $37,165. Put that in an auto loan calculator for 72 months (= 6 years) at 2.75% APR and your payment should be: $560.53 per month.

If you meant that it would be $40,165 after you put down $3,000 and you were financing $40,165 your payments with the same term and interest rate would be $605.77.
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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

I am getting rid of my 2007 Acura TL Type S for a 2012 JGC Limited 4x4. Various reasons for doing so, not the least of which is wanting more space during the 1k miles I drive a week. That being said, while I love the Acura, the extended warranty has already paid itself off in full at 82k miles. Replacing a cyllanoid (sp? it's in the emissions) and the entire NAV system. Not cheap!

I signed on a '12 Limited V6 4x4 with Adv Group 1, Luxury Group 2, and 730N, paying 35,700 plus taxes. It's currently being built. You can find a better deal!
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I have a 2011 V6 Laredo that is 8 months old with 11K so far.Other then oil changes it has not had one problem and has been a solid ride so far.I bought it after 20 years in Ram trucks all with Cummins Diesels as we towed heavy.Those trucks were all trouble free and gave us 100 of thousands of miles.I am a rather large guy and was lookin at all the Suv type rides and ended up in this Jeep as it was very comfortable,only ran me 32K out the door and gets me down the rode with little cost at the pump.Getting 19-23 mpg on regular gas-Don't miss the price of winter diesel here anymore.Only time will tell if this ride holds up but most cars,trucks built today do pretty well reliability wise considering all the crap connected to them.My two cents worth from a very happy first time Jeep owner.
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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

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At $40,165 out the door and $3,000 down, you would be financing $37,165. Put that in an auto loan calculator for 72 months (= 6 years) at 2.75% APR and your payment should be: $560.53 per month.

If you meant that it would be $40,165 after you put down $3,000 and you were financing $40,165 your payments with the same term and interest rate would be $605.77.

I agree with rushdriven, perhaps it was mis-stated in your post. It is not uncommon for a finance manager to mark-up the interest rate (whether lease or buy). Your credit union would be the best source for financing with often the best rates.

Before purchasing the vehicle look at the websites for truecar and bankrate for purchase level(s) and auto loan calculator. It is in your best interest to research and have the numbers available should you need to challenge the sales and/or finance managers. This advice would apply whether a Jeep or another brand.




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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

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Okay so this is my first post and thought I would register to look at everyone's experiences with the WK2.

While its styling both inside and outside caught my attention, I am not very fond of Chrysler and the Jeep brand has had a bad reputation in the reliability dept.

To be honest, from the readings, I am pretty scared of buying the WK2. It seems people are having build problems with their Jeeps and they have not even gone over 50K miles.

I really like the GC but its very hard to even give them a chance. Right now I own an Infiniti G35 and have had no issues like the ones posted here and it is close to 100k.

I also have a 97 camry with 210k miles and was thinking of replacing with the Jeep but the reviews and experiences have discouraged me.

The point of my post is to say hello to everyone and just give you a new users take from the posts here about the new Jeeps.

Be concerned ...a lot of drug and alcohol problems while on duty by the UAW members that we bailed out,,,,just read all the posts and you'll walk away
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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

There was one small group of UAW workers involved in that incident and they were dealt with. Do you think Chrysler would ever tolerate that sort of behavior on a large scale at a time when they are trying to revive their business and restore their image?

Fishnugget, do read all the posts and you will not walk away, especially if you are considering a 2012 model.
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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

If you find the post with problem statistics you'll find that the overwhelming majority of owners have next to no problems. Some people have had issues but they seem to be earlier versions in 2011. As for chronic naysayers you need to wonder about their motivations. There are always trolls hiding in the bushes. I have a 2012 Overland V8 with ACC and I have had exactly one minor issue that was cleared up while I waited at the local dealer. 4500 km's and going strong.
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Be concerned ...a lot of drug and alcohol problems while on duty by the UAW members that we bailed out,,,,just read all the posts and you'll walk away
^^ My vote for dumbest post of the week...
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At $40,165 out the door and $3,000 down, you would be financing $37,165. Put that in an auto loan calculator for 72 months (= 6 years) at 2.75% APR and your payment should be: $560.53 per month.

If you meant that it would be $40,165 after you put down $3,000 and you were financing $40,165 your payments with the same term and interest rate would be $605.77.
Yeah, sorry rush, I meant I would finance 40,165 with 3k down payment. They quoted me 601 a month.

I think the deal was decent but I can get the APR to 1.9% through my credit union. I financed my G35 through them and only owe about 2000 bucks on the G. I might just pay it off. Don't want to have 2 car payments.

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I am getting rid of my 2007 Acura TL Type S for a 2012 JGC Limited 4x4. Various reasons for doing so, not the least of which is wanting more space during the 1k miles I drive a week. That being said, while I love the Acura, the extended warranty has already paid itself off in full at 82k miles. Replacing a cyllanoid (sp? it's in the emissions) and the entire NAV system. Not cheap!

I signed on a '12 Limited V6 4x4 with Adv Group 1, Luxury Group 2, and 730N, paying 35,700 plus taxes. It's currently being built. You can find a better deal!
That's a pretty good deal but isn't the Limited cheaper than the Overland? Or are they the same price?

I am also looking for more room. It sucks because every 4th of July we go camping and we take my 97 camry. My family laughs at me because the poor camry is stuffed and I have to methodically pack everything a certain way to get it to fit, haha .

I dont want to hassle with that next year. I would prefer a truck but had to compromise with the wifey for an SUV. She just told me she would pay for the Jeep so I may get a truck, either a Tundra or GMC and sell the G. I am probably going to start a family and a sports car, while fun, is not practical for a family, I see more use out of a truck and SUV.

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I have a 2011 V6 Laredo that is 8 months old with 11K so far.Other then oil changes it has not had one problem and has been a solid ride so far.I bought it after 20 years in Ram trucks all with Cummins Diesels as we towed heavy.Those trucks were all trouble free and gave us 100 of thousands of miles.I am a rather large guy and was lookin at all the Suv type rides and ended up in this Jeep as it was very comfortable,only ran me 32K out the door and gets me down the rode with little cost at the pump.Getting 19-23 mpg on regular gas-Don't miss the price of winter diesel here anymore.Only time will tell if this ride holds up but most cars,trucks built today do pretty well reliability wise considering all the crap connected to them.My two cents worth from a very happy first time Jeep owner.
That's what I have heard about cars today. That they are more reliable. But then you hear people say that their new Camry is a POS and the engine blew out and it makes you wonder . A coworker recently told this to my wife and I remember someone posting how the new Camry's are junk compared to the one I have.

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I agree with rushdriven, perhaps it was mis-stated in your post. It is not uncommon for a finance manager to mark-up the interest rate (whether lease or buy). Your credit union would be the best source for financing with often the best rates.

Before purchasing the vehicle look at the websites for truecar and bankrate for purchase level(s) and auto loan calculator. It is in your best interest to research and have the numbers available should you need to challenge the sales and/or finance managers. This advice would apply whether a Jeep or another brand.




Regards,
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Thanks NHman, I checked out truecar and the numbers were pretty close but I think I can give less of a down payment for a lower monthly price.

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Be concerned ...a lot of drug and alcohol problems while on duty by the UAW members that we bailed out,,,,just read all the posts and you'll walk away
I did not know this, news to my ears. I will check it out. Thanks,

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There was one small group of UAW workers involved in that incident and they were dealt with. Do you think Chrysler would ever tolerate that sort of behavior on a large scale at a time when they are trying to revive their business and restore their image?

Fishnugget, do read all the posts and you will not walk away, especially if you are considering a 2012 model.
Thanks, yeah, I am reading up every day and I like that Jeep offers the Maxcare lifetime warranty. I am thinking I will keep my Camry, Old reliable, as a commuter and if I start getting problems with the Jeep, I can sell it and get rid of it. But at least I will have a car when its in the shop and wont have to hassle with rentals.

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If you find the post with problem statistics you'll find that the overwhelming majority of owners have next to no problems. Some people have had issues but they seem to be earlier versions in 2011. As for chronic naysayers you need to wonder about their motivations. There are always trolls hiding in the bushes. I have a 2012 Overland V8 with ACC and I have had exactly one minor issue that was cleared up while I waited at the local dealer. 4500 km's and going strong.
Yeah, its so hard to gauge based off of everyone's posts. I mean this could be a small niche of people and not represent the general population. However, everyone for the most part, has been saying good things about their Jeeps and I would be scared if most of the posts were negative reviews towards Jeep. So I am leaning to purchasing one.

I will tell you what sold me. First, was the life-time warranty offered by Chrysler, next was the all positive posts listed on here and everyone's generally good experiences, and last is the styling and looks of the Jeep .
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Every car brand has some problems. I still drive 2004 Jeep GC Overland and 2004 Chrysler 300. Love them and have zero problems so far. Actually looking for reason to replace them with new WK2 and possibly new 300, but when they run problem free and have no payments is hard to convince my self to spend 80K. In the other end I've lost one of my best friends and his girlfriend in rollover accident with Toyota. Roof collapsed and they died! My other friend had a t-bone accident with BMW x5. Bimmer drove away with a dent on the door and her Toyota Sienna was totaled and she had serious head injury. Personally I would not drive Toyota EVER!

Don't knock Toyota - I tagged a guard rail corner-on at 50 in a Camry and drove the car away from it - bent the rail back 3 feet. Banged the front end up pretty good and you could push the bumper in a ways, but it never came off. Fair amount of underlying damage though. I'm pretty sure my '01 Cherokee wouldn't have done that, I'd be lucky if it didn't flip in the slide.

(for the record, i'm trading that '01 for a '12 Grand hopefully at the end of the month...)
You are lucky you did not roll over! If you could see the POS Toyota with roof pillers crashing like soda cans and breaking my friend's necks you'll be parking it forever. To compare I was passenger when we rollover 3 times and ended with wheels up in old russian car back in Europe, but roof didn't crash on us. People maybe think Toyota are reliable (I don't), but they are not safe for sure.
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Re: Newbie's perspective on buying GC

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Yeah, sorry rush, I meant I would finance 40,165 with 3k down payment. They quoted me 601 a month.

I think the deal was decent but I can get the APR to 1.9% through my credit union. I financed my G35 through them and only owe about 2000 bucks on the G. I might just pay it off. Don't want to have 2 car payments.


That's a pretty good deal but isn't the Limited cheaper than the Overland? Or are they the same price?

I am also looking for more room. It sucks because every 4th of July we go camping and we take my 97 camry. My family laughs at me because the poor camry is stuffed and I have to methodically pack everything a certain way to get it to fit, haha .

I dont want to hassle with that next year. I would prefer a truck but had to compromise with the wifey for an SUV. She just told me she would pay for the Jeep so I may get a truck, either a Tundra or GMC and sell the G. I am probably going to start a family and a sports car, while fun, is not practical for a family, I see more use out of a truck and SUV.



That's what I have heard about cars today. That they are more reliable. But then you hear people say that their new Camry is a POS and the engine blew out and it makes you wonder . A coworker recently told this to my wife and I remember someone posting how the new Camry's are junk compared to the one I have.



Thanks NHman, I checked out truecar and the numbers were pretty close but I think I can give less of a down payment for a lower monthly price.



I did not know this, news to my ears. I will check it out. Thanks,



Thanks, yeah, I am reading up every day and I like that Jeep offers the Maxcare lifetime warranty. I am thinking I will keep my Camry, Old reliable, as a commuter and if I start getting problems with the Jeep, I can sell it and get rid of it. But at least I will have a car when its in the shop and wont have to hassle with rentals.



Yeah, its so hard to gauge based off of everyone's posts. I mean this could be a small niche of people and not represent the general population. However, everyone for the most part, has been saying good things about their Jeeps and I would be scared if most of the posts were negative reviews towards Jeep. So I am leaning to purchasing one.

I will tell you what sold me. First, was the life-time warranty offered by Chrysler, next was the all positive posts listed on here and everyone's generally good experiences, and last is the styling and looks of the Jeep .
You shouldn't be paying $43,165 for a V6 Overland. I'm getting a 2012 Overland with the 5.7L HEMI and rear DVD for approximately $42,500 BEFORE any Chrysler discounts - and they currently have $1000 cash back, so I'll be paying $1000 less...
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