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No love for diesels in UK and France.

Hmmmm. London will follow Paris and ban diesel cars, campaigners warn - Telegraph

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Re: No love for diesels in UK and France.

Hmmm... I thought diesel was the answer over there?

Cough... Cough...
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Re: No love for diesels in UK and France.

Heh heh heh.....if the French do it California will probably beat London to the punch.
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Re: No love for diesels in UK and France.

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Hmmm... I thought diesel was the answer over there?

Cough... Cough...
Literally cough.... cough... I remember Paris in 1990 and cities in Germany where I was working were pretty stinky with vehicle exhaust, way worse than US cities at the time I thought. Back then there were much more lax pollution laws in Europe. It is funny how things turned around. They have gone from subsidizing diesel fuel to looking to consider banning them.

I wonder how that will bode for diesels in Europe in general. As it is they seem to be pushing to make city centers "emissions free" (electric only) zones, which will only expand IMO.

Yes, it will be interesting to see what CARB does.
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Re: No love for diesels in UK and France.

They will make you all buy electric soon, everything else will be outlawed.
So much for freedom of choice.


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Re: No love for diesels in UK and France.

Silly people....

Luxury, speed, and mileage all combined.
You can't beat it.

Audi A7 with the diesel.
0-60 in 5.5 seconds and still gets 38mpg on the highway with standard AWD, in a sedan that weighs over 2 tons.

Just wish I could afford one......
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Re: No love for diesels in UK and France.

It will be a long time before they get an electric car that can get across the Nullarbor Plains (2000km).

And what about towing a caravan ???
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Re: No love for diesels in UK and France.

a buddy and I were in Paris just over Thanksgiving. There were ...very few gasoline powered cars; most were diesel. I don't see it happening.

Oh and I did see 1 diesel JGC Overland, which costs a cool 70,000 Euro. The airport rental place (EuropCar) at Charles de Gaulle International Airport was full of Cherokees.
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Re: No love for diesels in UK and France.

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Silly people....

Luxury, speed, and mileage all combined.
You can't beat it.

Cough... Cough...
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Re: No love for diesels in UK and France.

Someone in another thread somewhere postulated that one large part of this issue is that diesel has been prevalent for a long time "over there" and there are large numbers of vehicles on the road that are not "as clean" as current generation diesels are. But even the most current generation still has particulate issues which is where the human health angle comes in. That's the reason for adopting ways to tame the exhaust further in these vehicles...

But toward the idea of eliminating diesels in Paris and London...that's going to be a tough row to hoe considering the percentage of diesel vehicles on the road. They might better focus on "incentives" for folks owning and using older vehicles to either move to more modern diesels or commute via other means.
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Re: No love for diesels in UK and France.

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Someone in another thread somewhere postulated that one large part of this issue is that diesel has been prevalent for a long time "over there" and there are large numbers of vehicles on the road that are not "as clean" as current generation diesels are. But even the most current generation still has particulate issues which is where the human health angle comes in. That's the reason for adopting ways to tame the exhaust further in these vehicles...

But toward the idea of eliminating diesels in Paris and London...that's going to be a tough row to hoe considering the percentage of diesel vehicles on the road. They might better focus on "incentives" for folks owning and using older vehicles to either move to more modern diesels or commute via other means.
Yes, but politics in Europe are not as favorable towards individual property rights as they are in the US. Yes, a tax incentive, perhaps combined with an increased registration fee on older diesel vehicles, would be the smart and consumer friendly way of doing what they're trying to do, but I would be surprised if that actually happened.
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