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Old 10-29-2012, 05:25 PM
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Re: Not to start a flame war, but I have a V6 Charger as a Rental...

Little more progress today.

After repeated hoonery, the engine has loosened up some. It seems to be revving freer, and while it doesn't feel especially quick, it's not frustratingly slow anymore. I would say it's roughly as slow as my Jeep, maybe a tad less slow, but then again it's far less substantial in every way.

The 8 speed transmission still sucks. It has no idea what gear to be in so when you do get on it, it gets confused at first and shifts gears a few times to figure it out. The trick is to plan for this and gun it a few seconds before you wan to gun it, and then it will go.

The seats aren't as soft as I'd like. Maybe I'm spoiled expecting rental cars to have comfortable eats like the rental Explorer I had did.

Things I do like:

The key, it's SO much cooler looking than the Jeeps's key, and much more compact and fits in your pocket better. Whoever decided the Keep didn't get that key and instead got the old key should be hung for crimes against Jeep owners.

The stereo, I fiddled with it a little more and it actually sounds pretty decent. good low end excursion and such.

The space, the car is quite roomy. And the padding on the doors is worlds beyond what's in the Jeep.

I bet this car would be a lot better with the V8. The suspension is the car is jumpy, you hit a bump and its all over the damn place, like they designed the car to be a couple hundred pounds heavier.

I still don't like the 8 speed transmission. I think I'd prefer the old 5 speed to be honest.

Sorta wishing I had just picked up the 200 they had on the lot instead, but I took the Charger hoping it'd have a V8.

Houston has some VERY bumpy roads. And lots of potholes.

FWIW, I do expect that this car is faster than my Jeep. My Jeep is slow. I expect that, because it's a 5200 pound block of steel. But I do expect a "sports sedan" to be faster than this thing is.
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Old 10-29-2012, 05:42 PM
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Re: Not to start a flame war, but I have a V6 Charger as a Rental...

I guess the engine had a good night's sleep.
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Re: Not to start a flame war, but I have a V6 Charger as a Rental...

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A Hemi (non-SRT8) Jeep is slow. IMO, it is not lacking in HP or torque, simply throttle response. I have a MY11 Overland now with 27k miles. This past weekend both a new MDX and CR-V, yes a CR-V out accelerated my mighty Jeep from a stop. FWIW, I had 1/4 tank of gas (Shell 89) and no passengers. I normally don't race but both situations were the same. Stop light, 2 lane road merging into one.

It will be interesting to see if the acceleration improves on the MY14's.
I must have had one that wasn't build on a Monday morning or Friday afternoon then. I hate the shifting during normal driving but at WOT, it goes to redline and shifts, not a lot of programming there so it does well.

I do agree the Jeep V8 holds itself back, it should run better with the HP/Torque figures. It is torque management, traction control, and horrible programming with the engine and tranny. Hopefully a tuner can fix these things and make it fun to drive.
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Re: Not to start a flame war, but I have a V6 Charger as a Rental...

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I must have had one that wasn't build on a Monday morning or Friday afternoon then. I hate the shifting during normal driving but at WOT, it goes to redline and shifts, not a lot of programming there so it does well.

I do agree the Jeep V8 holds itself back, it should run better with the HP/Torque figures. It is torque management, traction control, and horrible programming with the engine and tranny. Hopefully a tuner can fix these things and make it fun to drive.
I agree, this is something that can be addressed with software tuning. Comparing the acceleration between the SRT8 and 5.7 Hemi, the gap is (roughly) 3 plus seconds. Yes I know it is two different vehicles and powertrains but the standard Hemi has enough HP and torque to perform better than it does (from the factory).

I will be very curious to see how the MY14 version performs for both 6.4 and 5.7 Hemi's.
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Re: Not to start a flame war, but I have a V6 Charger as a Rental...

I'd just like to reiterate again that people keep quoting that 8.2 second 0 -60 time for the wk2 hemi and its an anomaly. That is by far the slowest time I've seen.

Most other reviews I've seen put it in the low 7 second range with the fastest time I've seen being 6.7 seconds. There is also a video on YouTube very clearly showing a 7 second 0 - 60 run.

I have no clue what Edmunds did to get that 8.2 second 0 - 60 time, but I think they need to run that test again because there was obviously an issue with their test.
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Re: Not to start a flame war, but I have a V6 Charger as a Rental...

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I'd just like to reiterate again that people keep quoting that 8.2 second 0 -60 time for the wk2 hemi and its an anomaly. That is by far the slowest time I've seen.

Most other reviews I've seen put it in the low 7 second range with the fastest time I've seen being 6.7 seconds. There is also a video on YouTube very clearly showing a 7 second 0 - 60 run.

I have no clue what Edmunds did to get that 8.2 second 0 - 60 time, but I think they need to run that test again because there was obviously an issue with their test.
It's usually the V6 guys using the 8.2 second times.
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Re: Not to start a flame war, but I have a V6 Charger as a Rental...

Even with the Hemi, doesn't the tune from the factory have to be a compromise between power and mpg?
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Re: Not to start a flame war, but I have a V6 Charger as a Rental...

Power, mpg, emissions, and warrenty. We know what the Hemi torque curve looks like, would need a chassis dyno and instrumentation to see what is really happening. Could do a lot just monitoring speed, rpm, IMAP, PLA, and Injector Pulse width during a 0-60. I can do that with my cell phone and an $20 OBD-II dongle.
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Re: Not to start a flame war, but I have a V6 Charger as a Rental...

I have to admit, when you compare the Hemi to something like MB's V8s and such, what it gives up in performance it makes up with fuel economy.

New thing I dislike about the Charger (and most cars in general), the windshield is too damn short, so you can't see stoplights if you stop at the line correctly. You have to stop like half a car length back to see the light on the other side of the street. Stupid form over function crap IMO.
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Re: Not to start a flame war, but I have a V6 Charger as a Rental...

The hemi dodge I rented a few years ago was slow too... I blame it on de-tuning for rental use...

The V8 in the WK2 is hindered by the 4wd from a stop, but "hindered" means it prevents driveline lash and wear so I'm fine with it. Get it going and use the gears right and you can see the power is there... For example, going up a 7% grade at 11,000 feet fully loaded in 4th gear and accelerating. If you do that, you will appreciate the V8.

It's funny, cars are all going to more gears as mountain bikes are going to less...

I wonder what a torque converter replacement will cost on a modern 8 speed, and if the 1mpg improvement will cover the cost.
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Re: Not to start a flame war, but I have a V6 Charger as a Rental...

A lot of the rental companies use "salvage" cars. They get them fixed up and start renting it out. + people love to abuse the rental cars.
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