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Off-road capability of stock Michelin tires

This might be a stupid question but I'm going up to Martha's Vineyard in a couple of weeks with some friends who have an over sand permit for the beaches. I have a '14 Limited with stock 18-inch rims and Michelin tires and mud flaps, will I have any issues on the beach sand with this set up or am I worrying for no reason? When we were up there last fall it seemed to do fine in some light sand on "trails" but I didn't get a chance test it on the beach. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Off-road capability of stock Michelin tires

I used my '14 with the stock 18s at least two dozen times on ocean beaches. I dropped the pressure to 18 psi and never had a hint of getting stuck. Enjoy!


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Re: Off-road capability of stock Michelin tires

Probably ok, I don't know why Jeep throws those garbage tires on, I know one of the first things I am doing when my new GC shows up is tearing those michelins off and put on some good tread.
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Re: Off-road capability of stock Michelin tires

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Probably ok, I don't know why Jeep throws those garbage tires on, I know one of the first things I am doing when my new GC shows up is tearing those michelins off and put on some good tread.
It's about fuel mileage and an OK tire. It's an all season tire but more like an all highway. They needed to hit the 24mpg like they promised in the beginning.
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Re: Off-road capability of stock Michelin tires

Drop the pressures and make sure you have some means of recovery available to you: either another car and a tow rope or even better Maxtrax / TREDs.
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Re: Off-road capability of stock Michelin tires

After 20+ years of beach driving, I tend to think there is some validity in this. Of course every beach, every vehicle, and every driver are different.


"Because, contrary to what seems logical, what you're really trying to do is float on the sand Aggressive tire patterns (the kind of tires that come on every 4WD yuppiemobile ever made 'except Grand Cherokee'*) and high tire pressures make the tire "bite" into the sand and make you violate the first axiom lose your momentum. Here's the hierarchy of tire tread patterns from best to worse:
  1. Racing slicks with no tread
  2. Worn-out (bald) street tires of any size and description
  3. Street tires with a simple tread pattern
  4. All-season tread patterns
  5. Mud and snow tread patterns"
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Awesome thanks for the resposnes, I feel more confident about the tires now. Anyone think I'll have a problem with the OEM mud flaps at all?
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Re: Off-road capability of stock Michelin tires

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Probably ok, I don't know why Jeep throws those garbage tires on...
..because I'd be very surprised if the percentage of GC owners that take their vehicle on anything more challenging that an unpaved road (and that's likely because it's being repaved) reaches very far into the double digits.

I'd bet the number of 2 wheel drives sold probably is more than double the number of vehicles that do any off roading.

The fact is, the stock low resistance tires are exactly what the bulk of the GC owners need for best road use with just enough bite to let them park in the grass or dirt at the local craft fair.
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Awesome thanks for the resposnes, I feel more confident about the tires now. Anyone think I'll have a problem with the OEM mud flaps at all?
If the mud flaps are causing an issue in sand, you're already in trouble. It means you've bogged down so far, you're likely going to need help getting out.

Mud flaps are normally only a problem when rock crawling because they can get hung up going over rocks and stumps and end up broken (or damage the body).

For sand, just put it in sand mode and keep traction control on. Then be nice and easy on the gas. Best bet: flip it to manual and start off in 2nd gear. Unlike with rocks, torque is your enemy on sand. If you can use the torque at idle (without applying the gas) to get rolling, that's all the better.

Finally, try to stay on the packed stuff as much as possible.
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Re: Off-road capability of stock Michelin tires

...and remember ( unlike myself ) that when you stop and turn off your Jeep for your beach bake, beach break, or to go clamming , your Jeep resets back to Auto mode.

I drove out on the beach in Sand mode. Parked and got out the kite. Kite flies away by itself. I decided to go get ( I didn't want to pollute). Started the Jeep and started moving but when I got to deeper stuff....stuck. Jeep had started/ reset back to Auto mode.

And some people didn't like the pull handle on old school Jeeps...it stayed there.

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Re: Off-road capability of stock Michelin tires

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If the mud flaps are causing an issue in sand, you're already in trouble. It means you've bogged down so far, you're likely going to need help getting out.

Mud flaps are normally only a problem when rock crawling because they can get hung up going over rocks and stumps and end up broken (or damage the body).

For sand, just put it in sand mode and keep traction control on. Then be nice and easy on the gas. Best bet: flip it to manual and start off in 2nd gear. Unlike with rocks, torque is your enemy on sand. If you can use the torque at idle (without applying the gas) to get rolling, that's all the better.

Finally, try to stay on the packed stuff as much as possible.

No need to flip to manual mode. Quoted from 2015 OM, it was same for MY14.

"You can start out, from a stop, in first or second gear
(or third gear, in 4LO range, Snow mode, or Sand
mode). Tapping (+) (at a stop) will allow starting in
second gear. ..."




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Re: Off-road capability of stock Michelin tires

I had no issue doing the beach down in NC with the OEM Fortera's (aired down) and expect that the situation will be the same with the OEM tires on the 18" wheels as others have already mentioned. Aggressive tires are actually a problem on sand...
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