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Old 02-17-2014, 09:41 PM
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Re: Oil Life

I always did my oil changes every 3K miles but I think I will just do it every 4500 to 5000 miles with the Jeep because it is a newer car and they can usually make the oil last longer. Also it is a lease so it is also not a big deal if I run the miles up a little.
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That has always been when I have changed my oil between 3500 and 4200 miles. Your post got my attention for my wife and I are planning to drive out west this mid April. From Northern Virginia to Scottsdale Az. and several stops in between. Its 2200 miles to Scottsdale, (my daughters) and I also wondered if I could make it on one oil change but I think not. I see approx. 6000 miles plus all said and done. I also put new Michelin XLT MS2's on my 2013 JGC Ltd. not because I wanted to for the Latitudes only had a little over 20,000 but vibrated and got noisy. The MS2's have 2000 on them and I love the ride. I will feel much more confident driving out west. They were expensive but the old piece of mind will be nice. Hope your trip is safe and enjoyable.
In the past on new cars, I've changed the oil at about 1000 miles and then follow the manufacturer's schedule. The dealer told me to just follow the indicator this time, but to expect about 7500 between changes. I thought it would go about 7500 until they did the transmission update when it immediately dropped from 78% to 44%.

At the end of August, we will be going from Cincinnati to Portland, OR, via Mt. Rushmore and up through Wyoming and Idaho. We will be coming back via Salt Lake City. Time will be tight on the trip and the last thing I'm going to need is to have to stop somewhere to do an oil change, but I want to keep the warranty in effect with all of the gadgets and electronics this puppy has. I'm retired and my wife retires next year and this will probably be our vehicle for traveling, especially since we like to camp and go off-road a lot. Bought the lifetime service contract on it for that reason.
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Old 02-19-2014, 07:07 PM
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Re: Oil Life

I can't stress enough not to overthink this oil thing folks. So the little widget says change the oil and you go another 500 or 800 miles. No big deal. Even another 1000 miles. It isn't like the oil is all of a sudden no good.
The little computer uses a very simple algorithm to "determine" when it should be changed using the recommended oil. If you are using almost any synthetic oil then you have much longer to go than what the indicator tells you. Don't think you have to rush out as soon as it tells you to change the oil. As I said before; when my indicator told me it was time, and I got around to changing it, the lab said it was fine. The viscosity was acceptable, TBN good, wear metals negligible and to run another 2000 miles next time. This was oil that was in there while towing 4000 pounds during the summer every other weekend.
Don't fret over the warranty either. The ONLY thing the factory could do is refuse to cover a failure DIRECTLY related to an engine lube problem. Even then it would be hard to prove. Your nav system and transmission are still under warranty regardless. Besides, you very well could purchase oil and filters ahead of time, keep the receipt, reset the indicator yourself and not even change the oil. They can't prove that in 20000 miles if you wipe a cam lobe. So they are none the wiser in any case.
Still worried? Drain and fill the oil before the trip. Replace the filter if you want. Nothing says you can't be proactive about it.
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Re: Oil Life

What kind of oil comes with the WK2's? When I do my oil change it will be my first one with this car so i'm not sure if they put synthetic or regular or even semi synthetic in it.
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What kind of oil comes with the WK2's? When I do my oil change it will be my first one with this car so i'm not sure if they put synthetic or regular or even semi synthetic in it.
While I can't say for sure, my bet is on a conventional Penzoil. At any rate, it doesn't matter. Pick your poison when it comes time. Just personal opinion but I'd go synthetic. The cost is negligible and protection is better. As long as it meets MS 6395 it is fine.
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:24 PM
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Re: Oil Life

Ok the only thing is that I was going to take it to a dealership to do it because they offer free oil changes for the first 2 years (well, they only give 4 of them, so I guess maybe more like a year of free oil changes)
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You can probably get them to put syn in it if you pay the difference. The dealers around here use Penzoil Platinum.
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Re: Oil Life

Very unlikely that the original fill is anything but Pennzoil Ultra ESP 5W30 since that is one of the two approved oils I can find in the US.
I am planning to wait and watch my oil consumption and if OK run until 7K miles which is a change in my original plan. Blackstone will get a sample and I will see what the metals wear is (most likely a little high original fill) and what additives in TBN are. That will help me determine what the change interval will be but I am not planning on exceeding the 10K miles between oil changes.
Almost a couple hundred thousand miles on my Super Duty changes per Ford at 5K miles and never missed a beat oil always within limits but a much older and dirtier engine than this fine VM 3.0L...
10K miles is outstanding between changes...
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Any Penzoil 5w20 is 6395 compliant. I highly doubt they are putting synthetic in.
Amsoil OE, XL and Signature, Castrol, Penzoil, Mobil Super and Super HM, Kendall GT1 are all MS 6395 compliant. There may be more.
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I can't stress enough not to overthink this oil thing folks. So the little widget says change the oil and you go another 500 or 800 miles. No big deal. Even another 1000 miles. It isn't like the oil is all of a sudden no good.
The little computer uses a very simple algorithm to "determine" when it should be changed using the recommended oil. If you are using almost any synthetic oil then you have much longer to go than what the indicator tells you. Don't think you have to rush out as soon as it tells you to change the oil. As I said before; when my indicator told me it was time, and I got around to changing it, the lab said it was fine. The viscosity was acceptable, TBN good, wear metals negligible and to run another 2000 miles next time. This was oil that was in there while towing 4000 pounds during the summer every other weekend.
Don't fret over the warranty either. The ONLY thing the factory could do is refuse to cover a failure DIRECTLY related to an engine lube problem. Even then it would be hard to prove. Your nav system and transmission are still under warranty regardless. Besides, you very well could purchase oil and filters ahead of time, keep the receipt, reset the indicator yourself and not even change the oil. They can't prove that in 20000 miles if you wipe a cam lobe. So they are none the wiser in any case.
Still worried? Drain and fill the oil before the trip. Replace the filter if you want. Nothing says you can't be proactive about it.
Regarding warranty, the mfr isn't the one that has to prove anything. The vehicle owner has to prove proper maintenance, so if "oil life" per the calculator was exceeded and the failure is even INdirectly related to engine lube, the company has a way out. Written contract terms control the deal, not what someone thinks is 'reasonable and fair', when dealing with contracts. Even 'the salesman said' or 'the service manager told me' will not hold up in court (parol evidence rule).
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Don't fret over the warranty either. The ONLY thing the factory could do is refuse to cover a failure DIRECTLY related to an engine lube problem. Even then it would be hard to prove. Your nav system and transmission are still under warranty regardless. Besides, you very well could purchase oil and filters ahead of time, keep the receipt, reset the indicator yourself and not even change the oil. They can't prove that in 20000 miles if you wipe a cam lobe. So they are none the wiser in any case.
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Regarding warranty, the mfr isn't the one that has to prove anything. The vehicle owner has to prove proper maintenance, so if "oil life" per the calculator was exceeded and the failure is even INdirectly related to engine lube, the company has a way out. Written contract terms control the deal, not what someone thinks is 'reasonable and fair', when dealing with contracts. Even 'the salesman said' or 'the service manager told me' will not hold up in court (parol evidence rule).
I think you missed what I was saying (or meaning).
If you never changed the engine oil and somewhere along the line your trans takes a dump the warranty claim could not be denied. The tranny and engine are two separate components with separate lubrication. Likewise, if your navi went kaput that would be covered too.
I am also saying that you could very well have a receipt for oil and filter but never install them. You reset the indicator and go on your way. Some years later a bearing spins (highly unlikely due to a missed OCI anyway) and they ask you for service history. You have the documentation of purchasing the material, it just didn't get done.
I never said a thing about a verbal directive from a salesman. Which are usually BS anyway.
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Regarding warranty, the mfr isn't the one that has to prove anything. The vehicle owner has to prove proper maintenance, so if "oil life" per the calculator was exceeded and the failure is even INdirectly related to engine lube, the company has a way out. Written contract terms control the deal, not what someone thinks is 'reasonable and fair', when dealing with contracts. Even 'the salesman said' or 'the service manager told me' will not hold up in court (parol evidence rule).
Actually that works 2 ways. Even if you can't prove you changed the oil, they have to show that not changing the oil caused the problem.



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