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overland delays makes LR4 appealing?

i am a 5th generation jeep owner.......and have generally been happy......in my 2nd overland......but all the delays in features is frustrating......esp all the nav and i phone 4 issues......

since i have the cash, why shouldn't i just get a landrover LR4 ??
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Old 12-17-2010, 01:21 AM
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Re: overland delays makes LR4 appealing?

Because landrover's are gay. Relax everything will work.... You think the landrover has solved all their kinks as well?
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Re: overland delays makes LR4 appealing?

LR4 are nice cars. They are priced a little higher, but i do miss the option for a 360 Surround view camera on the gc ;-). For the same price and features, i maybe would choose a LR4 over the GC.
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Re: overland delays makes LR4 appealing?

With a landrover you will be good friends with the service writers lol. Landrover is the only car that is priced high but can be compared wtih the wk2 imo
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Re: overland delays makes LR4 appealing?

From what I've heard from the people who own Land Rovers is they stay in service more than on the road.

Parts waiting can also become an issue. I have a long time friend who runs a large body shop. He had a supercharged Land Rover with front end damage. It took 1 month to obtain a windshield and almost 3 months to obtain a new intercooler for the supercharger which had been damaged.

It may be a wait for the new overland but at least it will be on the road. You could spend much more time and aggrevation in the service department with the LR4. Some on this board who have gotten rid of the LR for the JGC have commented about the LR's air suspension being notorious for troubles.
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Re: overland delays makes LR4 appealing?

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From what I've heard from the people who own Land Rovers is they stay in service more than on the road.

Parts waiting can also become an issue. I have a long time friend who runs a large body shop. He had a supercharged Land Rover with front end damage. It took 1 month to obtain a windshield and almost 3 months to obtain a new intercooler for the supercharger which had been damaged.

It may be a wait for the new overland but at least it will be on the road. You could spend much more time and aggrevation in the service department with the LR4. Some on this board who have gotten rid of the LR for the JGC have commented about the LR's air suspension being notorious for troubles.
Where are Landrovers made? In UK or some are made in US? Do all parts come from UK?
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Re: overland delays makes LR4 appealing?

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since i have the cash, why shouldn't i just get a landrover LR4 ??
Was that a rhetorical question? You probably won't get very objective advice on a forum populated by Jeep enthusiasts. j/k, this forum does seem to have a fair number of knowledgeable car guys.

I had a Range Rover HSE (2007, lease) and it was superb. A class act in every category, especially reliability. It was also a decent chick magnet (sorry, wrong thread). When I started researching new rides about a year ago, I strongly considered getting back into a pre-owned RR and I looked at the LR4 very strongly (had a Jaguar before the RR so the dealer was very ready to make me a good deal).

Then I started hearing about the 2011 JGC and very soon began to narrow the list of candidates and fixated on this one. I know the LR product pretty well and I don't believe I'll be compromising in any of the key areas by going with this Jeep build (well, possibly in reliability but that remains to be seen, and is part of the deal you make with yourself when you enjoy the other aspects of being an early adopter). I consider the JGC to be the LR4's equal in every tangible category. I say "tangible" because let's face it, the Land Rover brand carries a certain prestige/mystique all its own. But so does Jeep in its own way. And I like the back end and profile of the Jeep more than that of the LR4.

Then we come to price/value. Hard to make a compelling argument in favor of the LR4 over the Jeep when it comes to price. I would be happy with either of them, but I would be very happy with the extra $10-15K in my pocket as I drive a Jeep off the lot.

But back to your point. My hair is not on fire to get a new vehicle, so I am enjoying the time I'm spending reading up on things, researching pricing, warranties, accessories, even the drama of the production process and the stories from other owners about their orders. I'm having a blast and haven't even placed my order yet (waiting on saddle interior and 730n RHR to be released for the Overland). We all have different thresholds when it comes to patience. My .02.
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Re: overland delays makes LR4 appealing?

I have owned 5 GC Jeeps. I have owned Audi's, Lexus. Without a doubt, the redesigned 2011 GC is the best bang for the buck, in majority of important features that are important to the discriment buyer. The threshold for patience does vary. However, the wait will be worth it. My 2011 Overland Hemi, Brilliant Black, Black/Saddle interior, Tech. Pkg. was ordered Sept.. The vehicle is in transit and expected dealer arrival week of XMas. Regarding the Nav. 730 RHR vs. Garmin interface/features. IMO, with the exception of the minority of techie's who embrace and will engage each and every feature, the majority will be more than satisfied with the Garmin. By the way, this holds true for the much talked about 8-speed transmission. IMO...!
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Re: overland delays makes LR4 appealing?

good thoughts thanks for the replys......my local dealership doesn't want to deal off sticker on the overland, b/c they are so hard to get and sell them within hours of getting them...so that makes the price point b/n LR4 and gc pretty darn close.....and they will deal a little on the LR4.....

i think real world reliability and talking to various real owners is probably a wash b/n the 2....


I am a techie.....LR4 has some cool techie stuff, like the surround camera, wheel and suspension position indicators on the nav screen....more interior room......topo lines on the nav.......

my 2008 overland seats are just to firm for my taste and my arse......i am hearing the 2011 are still pretty firm...

visibility out of the lr4 seems a little better......

i am not a preppie.....the snooty ness of driving a landrover is def a negative...but i could over come it

there are times when the third row seats would be very handy.....

i don/t really want to leave the jeep community, but a serious consideration of the LR4 is a pretty tough call....
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Re: overland delays makes LR4 appealing?

I was an early adopter of the '03 Range Rover (designed by BMW built under Ford ownership). Mine was only the 2nd one in my state and one of the first 100 in the US, and I paid the price. I've never had a car leave me stranded as often as that car. A short list; Failed air suspension module, failed air shock, slipping transmission, nav screen would go black all the time and would have to pull over and cycle the ingnition to get it to come back on.

I figured to own that car for only about a year and putting less than 10,000 miles on it when I sold it I lost nearly 20k to depreciation.

I like Land Rovers, I really do. I think the Range Rover would be the best all weather road trip car in the world if you could rely on it.

Look at the prices on used LR3s and ask yourself (and your accountant) if its worth purchasing a new LR4.

I have an '01 Denali that I bought new in late 2000 and its been to the dealer for something besides routine matinence only one time, for a new air compressor, But you could still drive it just fine even with blown or uninflated shocks.
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Re: overland delays makes LR4 appealing?

OP, check a search on this site for virtually any other SUV, high end to low end. It's remarkable how many vehicles are compared to the 2011 JGC. It's remarkable that it is worthy of those comparisons, including rigs $20-$30K more expensive.

No question folks are frustrated trying to get an Overland in their preferred configuration. A handful of us have gone to neighboring states to find one in stock and either had it trucked for circa $500, or flown in and drove it home.

YMMV. But do yourself a favor, test drive all of the other SUV offerings and the WK2. It was eye opening.
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I was an early adopter of the '03 Range Rover (designed by BMW built under Ford ownership). Mine was only the 2nd one in my state and one of the first 100 in the US, and I paid the price. I've never had a car leave me stranded as often as that car. A short list; Failed air suspension module, failed air shock, slipping transmission, nav screen would go black all the time and would have to pull over and cycle the ingnition to get it to come back on.

I figured to own that car for only about a year and putting less than 10,000 miles on it when I sold it I lost nearly 20k to depreciation.

I like Land Rovers, I really do. I think the Range Rover would be the best all weather road trip car in the world if you could rely on it.

Look at the prices on used LR3s and ask yourself (and your accountant) if its worth purchasing a new LR4.

I have an '01 Denali that I bought new in late 2000 and its been to the dealer for something besides routine matinence only one time, for a new air compressor, But you could still drive it just fine even with blown or uninflated shocks.
i hear but, the lr4 has been out for a long time, as teh lr4 is just some cosmetic changes for the most part over the lr3......the 2011 wk2 is really the new model....so the early adopter risk i think would be greater with the jeep than the LR4....i had a 99 jeep with alot of issues, and yes it left me stranded with a failed fuel pump...it is impossible to predict reliability....but I really think b/n the two it is probably a wash.....i completely understand with your experience why you lost confidence with rangerover
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