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Re: Paddle Shifters - Hate 'em

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Being the OP, I'm not sure whether this was directed at me or not but imo, paddle shifters are strictly boy racer in a luxury SUV. Of course, if you do a lot of off-roading that would be an exception, but most are commuter/grocery getters.

As previously stated, I also drive a supercharged manual 6spd coupe that makes 470hp and 470ft/lb torque at the crank. (Kind of like and SRT8 but 1500lb. lighter.) I did the complete supercharger install myself.

Tell me, how does knowing engine specs make you an ACTIVE driver in CONTROL of a vehicle.
Why are you getting so defensive? Shift paddles merely allow for another level of control. If you think that makes they "boy racer", then good for you. And BTW, why do you keep talking about driving a supercharged, manual car with 470HP? Do you think that somehow validates you as a driver? Oh, and you did the supercharger install yourself. Terrific.

Actually, you and I have a lot in common. I drive an AWD turbocharged 6-speed manual coupe and I installed the turbocharger myself. And guess what? Yup, I still like the shift paddles in the Grand Cherokee and I don't see them as "boy racer" at all. And I've also accidently bumped them. If you don't like them, just remove them. If you installed your supercharger by yourself, I'm quite sure you can figure out how to remove the shift paddles from your steering wheel. It's not rocket science.
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Re: Paddle Shifters - Hate 'em

I could not read through all of this pointless drivel so I don't know if this has already been posted; OP, you must have really long fingers... you know what they say about really long fingers, toes or big hands... count your blessings and move on.
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Re: Paddle Shifters - Hate 'em

In the 2015 Grand Cherokee Limited, the paddle shifters move into a gap between the front face of the paddles and the rear of the steering wheel. Orbit sells an "O-ring and Washer Package" (WalMart - $1.16). The O-rings are slightly thicker than the gap and must be compressed slightly during insertion. This compression assures that they will not fall out during operation. The O-rings can be worked into the gap so that they cannot be seen from the driving position, yet can easily be removed, if desired. Solved the problem of accidental actuation for me.
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Re: Paddle Shifters - Hate 'em

When I posted in this thread earlier, I hadn't even received my 2015 Overland and was still driving my 2012.



Now that I've had my 2015 for several months, my feelings about the paddle shifters have changed.

I LOVE them!

I've never hit them by accident despite my large hands & long fingers. And they work great when I want to downshift to slow down instead of using my brakes.
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Re: Paddle Shifters - Hate 'em

Yep, I use them to downshift when I need to slow down. In previous autos I did this with the shifter, but in the GC you can't, so you have to use the paddles. I'd prefer to be able to select gears using the shifter, but the paddles work.

The wife mistook them for indicators one day, and couldn't work out how to get back into auto. Other than that, I don't have any problem with accidentally hitting the paddles.
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Re: Paddle Shifters - Hate 'em

I look at it this way. Every automatic transmission ever manufactured has some type of manual mode. From the earliest 2-Speed Powerglide's that simply had "D" and "L" on the column lever, to the GM 3-Speed Hydramatic's, Ford C-6's, and Chrysler Torqueflite's of the muscle car era, that had those silly Hurst "Dual Gate" contraptions on the counsel.

Today, every Jeep Grand Cherokee manufactured has a 8-Speed automatic transmission. If you didn't have paddle shifters, how would you control 8 gears in a manual mode without them? It would require some type of counsel shifter with a whole bunch of different gates to allow you to access all 8 speeds, that would be an absolute abortion to operate. Perhaps they could have created some type of ratcheting shifter on the counsel, but that would require driving with one hand on the wheel.

The paddle shifters allow the driver easy access to the entire range of gears available at the touch of a finger. Yes, like anything new they take a little getting used to. But they work effortlessly, and don't interfere with normal driving. I don't see another way for auto makers to come up with anything easier or better that would allow manual access to so many speeds. It seems as though every year they're adding speeds to these automatic transmissions in order to improve economy and performance. And remember, this is coming from "an old guy set in his ways".
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I don't see another way for auto makers to come up with anything easier or better that would allow manual access to so many speeds. It seems as though every year they're adding speeds to these automatic transmissions in order to improve economy and performance. And remember, this is coming from "an old guy set in his ways".
The same way Chrysler was doing it before the paddles, (like the 11-13 WK2 with the wiggle worm shifter). In Drive, the gear stick moves side to side for manual shift. Left for downshift, right for upshift.
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The same way Chrysler was doing it before the paddles, (like the 11-13 WK2 with the wiggle worm shifter). In Drive, the gear stick moves side to side for manual shift. Left for downshift, right for upshift.
Like I said, that requires driving with one hand on the wheel. I understand so does every stick shift out there. But with the paddles, (just like cell phones and audio controls), having the ability to perform normal driving functions without taking your hands off the wheel is an advantage.
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Re: Paddle Shifters - Hate 'em

Another thing is like them or not, paddle shifters are here to stay. If you go back to their beginnings, it was the more costly Ferrari's and Mercedes that started putting them on their more expensive performance models. Now, even Subaru uses them on their El Cheapo economy models. Like many things we see in passenger vehicles, it's bleed over technology from their racing and off road divisions, that gets quickly copied by everyone else.

Formula 1 and IRL have been using them for years, having gotten rid of the ratcheting "bump lever" they used to use. Most every control on a Formula 1 car is accessible from the steering wheel. Which contributes to their $50K cost. As most every automatic transmission now on the market employs some type of "fly by wire" electronic technology, more and more cars will go to paddle shifters.
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Re: Paddle Shifters - Hate 'em

I wish they would just program the transmission to go back to D after a few secs of not using the paddle shifters. Acura and Subaru do this. Just a programming change.
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Re: Paddle Shifters - Hate 'em

I think someone already mentioned that if you press and hold the "+" upshift paddle for 2 seconds or longer, it will automatically disengage the paddle shifters, and go back into "Drive" mode.
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I think someone already mentioned that if you press and hold the "+" upshift paddle for 2 seconds or longer, it will automatically disengage the paddle shifters, and go back into "Drive" mode.
But Acura and Subaru do it automagically!
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