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Old 07-20-2016, 09:35 AM
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Hi Echo7Tango. Your last vehicle, did it have paddle shifters or, being a MT, did you do your Shifting at the CC Shifter ? No right or wrong answer here; preferences are preferences, after all ! You've adapted well apparently; me not so much, but then my MT's were gee, the last was the Nissan Sentra ('87-'91), and the 1st was a 1971 FIAT 850 Sport Coupe (my chick magnet).
No paddle shifters on my last car, just a stick on the floor. It was a 2001 Honda CR-V with the 5-MT stick. The 5-MT was great because it helped me wring out every ounce of power out of that 2.0L 4-banger.

I like your chick magnet, and it reminded me of mine. My first car, like yours, was a Fiat. Mine was a 1979 Fiat X1/9.


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Right on!!!!! Maybe it's the old bastard in me that remembers when 17's were "huge" rims, or maybe it's just being practical, but 20's don't make sense on anything that plans on leaving the pavement. Hey, they may look nice to some folks (we all have our own taste), but they're not my cup of tea.... or coffee. Mmmmmmm coffee.
Shots, yes, it is a matter of taste. The 20" wheels on mine are the simple 5-spoke design. They remind me of the Hot Wheels toy cars I that were my favorites as a kid growing up in the 60s and 70s. Here is a picture of one of my very first Hot Wheel, the blue Plymouth Barracuda, notice the wheels: https://www.google.com/search?q=hot+...9Ct5u8l7OCM%3A

I do some serious off roading in my JGC, 'serious' as in I'll do what my stock setup will let me do. If I need to drop down to 18s or smaller, that is an option, but for now I'll run with the 20s that look just right to me, with +1 upsized AT tires. And I'll grab a cup of coffee right now too!

Oh and by the way, thank you for your tips on de-badging (in this other thread). I removed the Overland badge from the rear end and replaced it wth a 1941, 75 Years badge.

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Anti-lock paddle shifters will be the next safety upgrade.
We already have them. It's known as the "shift not allowed" message.
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Old 07-20-2016, 11:17 AM
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Regardless of WHY we downshift, and/or engine brake a MC, the point is that it's a very common practice (and taught as you noted). The transmissions handle it just fine, and I don't see anyone complaining about premature wear as a result. So there shouldn't be any reason you can't do the same thing with a car that is capable of allowing the driver to select the gear.
Yes and no.

Don't forget that motorcycles, especially sport bikes, tend to run at higher RPMs to achieve a higher power band in a smaller package.

Plus, the transmissions are usually part of the engine itself and thus have their fluids changed whenever you change the motor oil.

The clutches are wet, so you can ride them and even slip them, unlike a car with a dry clutch that will smoke itself if constantly ridden or slipped.

In addition, the shift pull on bikes is very short via the foot control, so you can actually get away with shifting without the clutch at all and not do any serious harm. All you need is to pre-load it, then pop it in at the right moment.

Finally, most motorcycles see far fewer miles each year compared to cars, especially in places where weather can be an issue. My motorcycle has almost 90K on the ticker, but it was made in 1983. Most of the bikes that see that kind of mileage are sport tourers and on/off road tourers. Most cruisers and sport bikes get traded in with well under 25K on the ticker.
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I use them for a quick slowdown when my radar detector goes off with a strong signal, especially at night. If I know a cop is looking in my direction, I don't want the brake lights giving me away. Just careful if someone is driving close behind you.
Keeping it in sport mode seems to work better than normal mode which takes too long to shift.
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I could be wrong, but that looks like a silhouette of a tractor/trailer rig, not a WK2.
Tractor/trailer rigs have a somewhat different design issue in using brakes vs lower gears--unless you regularly haul a few million dollars worth of gold bullion around in your wk2
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No, that's definitely a WK2.

I have a place up a moderately steep road on a small mountain. I always shift down when I come down it — and I almost always smell somebody else's burned brake linings when I do.
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Re: Paddle Shifters (slowing down)

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No, that's definitely a WK2.

I have a place up a moderately steep road on a small mountain. I always shift down when I come down it — and I almost always smell somebody else's burned brake linings when I do.
I love using the paddle shifters to slow down during a steep descent.

And if these vehicles are so poorly designed that intermittent use of engine braking and/or transmission shifts would damage the transmission, then we should ALL be worried about the quality (or lack thereof) of these Jeeps.
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I could be wrong, but that looks like a silhouette of a tractor/trailer rig, not a WK2.
This is a great observation. People can use this helpful rationale to light up a cigar anyplace there is a no cigarette sign, not pick up after their dog (as long as it's not the same breed as the one on the sign), carry firearms into federal courthouses, etc!
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..... Oh and by the way, thank you for your tips on de-badging (in this other thread). I removed the Overland badge from the rear end and replaced it wth a 1941, 75 Years badge.
No problem, glad to help. Did you put any photos up of the new badge anywhere? Sounds like it would look pretty good.

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No, that's definitely a WK2.
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Ha ha. Yup, definitely a Jeep. A WK2 pulling a camper full of gear. Ha ha.

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I love using the paddle shifters to slow down during a steep descent.

And if these vehicles are so poorly designed that intermittent use of engine braking and/or transmission shifts would damage the transmission, then we should ALL be worried about the quality (or lack thereof) of these Jeeps.
Not only that but if we shouldn't be using the transmission to assist with going down a hill, why do I have a button designated for hill assist with the picture of the Jeep going down a hill? Sounds like it's designed for it to me.

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Not only that but if we shouldn't be using the transmission to assist with going down a hill, why do I have a button designated for hill assist with the picture of the Jeep going down a hill? Sounds like it's designed for it to me.
HDC operates only in 4 Low and independently brakes the wheels, as opposed to varying engine compression via gearing. In HDC/SelecSpeed, the paddles set the max speed as opposed to changing the gear per se.

I found the HDC was quite helpful during the minimal off-roading I've done, especially during descents down muddy roads with substantial rocks.
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Yes and no.

Don't forget that motorcycles, especially sport bikes, tend to run at higher RPMs to achieve a higher power band in a smaller package.

Plus, the transmissions are usually part of the engine itself and thus have their fluids changed whenever you change the motor oil.

The clutches are wet, so you can ride them and even slip them, unlike a car with a dry clutch that will smoke itself if constantly ridden or slipped.

In addition, the shift pull on bikes is very short via the foot control, so you can actually get away with shifting without the clutch at all and not do any serious harm. All you need is to pre-load it, then pop it in at the right moment.

Finally, most motorcycles see far fewer miles each year compared to cars, especially in places where weather can be an issue. My motorcycle has almost 90K on the ticker, but it was made in 1983. Most of the bikes that see that kind of mileage are sport tourers and on/off road tourers. Most cruisers and sport bikes get traded in with well under 25K on the ticker.
One more thing is that motorcycles shift up and down sequentially which helps ease things in the transmission as well. A manual transmission in a car can be shifted out of sequence which, in certain circumstances, can increase control and safety, but it places a lot of stress on the synchronizers (but I still do it once in a while when playing on winding roads at speed in my MX5, just not as a habit). The GC avoids that problem with the auto trans.

I only tend to use the paddle shifters when offroad to try to stay in a lower gear when pushing through sand or mud or something similar. On the highway, I use the adaptive cruise to maintain my speed going downhill. In town, I use the brakes.
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