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It's even worse in town.

I love it when I see a guy jackrabbit off from a light and race down the road, only to get stopped at the next light. I then come rolling up as the light turns green, not even having to stop.
Ah, the "green wave". I have the opposite problem. My town apparently believes in the "red wave", meaning that if you are stopped at a light and it turns green, if you accelerate reasonably to the speed limit then you will arrive at the next intersection exactly as the light turns *red*--thereby maximizing the time you spend stopped in traffic.

If someone were to floor it and get up to 15 mph over the speed limit then they could break the cycle of abuse and hit an unbroken succession of green lights.

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Re: Paddle Shifters (slowing down)

I just returned. Sonora Pass is steep - at one point it has a 25% grade. Also, from the summit, at 9,628' and going eastbound, in the first 1/2 mile you drop over 500'. You end up dropping 3,000' in 9 miles. But that 25% grade is steep.

I used the paddle shifters very often to downshift and control my downhill speed.

Added: here is a sign of that 25% grade on Sonora Pass's east side. Steep!
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.... The relaxed ride gives me time to wonder just how much more the other guy spends on gas, tires and brakes over the life of the vehicle....
That's my biggest reason for driving like a little old man. It's just so much more relaxing than driving like an idiot. Added bonus that save fuel and wear.

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..... it eased up to less than an inch in SC where we got pulled over by the state patrol telling us the roads were closed due to heavy snow. It just looked like a dusting back home.
Ha ha. Southern states crack me up. Not far from the shore of Lake Erie, we get lake effect snow. Meaning we get snow, and lots of it. Obviously N.E.Ohio has the appropriate equipment to handle it, but it just makes me laugh when a southern state freaks out over a little snow.
I guess they're laughing at us right now, while we freak out over a whole week in the 90's. Heck a few days ago the heat index was just over 100° and I thought I was going to melt. I don't know how you folks take it for months at a time. I'll take our snow over that crap.
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Ha ha. Southern states crack me up. Not far from the shore of Lake Erie, we get lake effect snow. Meaning we get snow, and lots of it. Obviously N.E.Ohio has the appropriate equipment to handle it, but it just makes me laugh when a southern state freaks out over a little snow.
I guess they're laughing at us right now, while we freak out over a whole week in the 90's. Heck a few days ago the heat index was just over 100° and I thought I was going to melt. I don't know how you folks take it for months at a time. I'll take our snow over that crap.
I have two cousins from Detroit that used to spend the summer down here when we were kids. They just wilted all summer. It was 102 last week and I have no idea what the heat index was. You could cut the humidity with a knife. As soon as you open the jeep door it just sucks your breath away and the sweat (perspiration for the ladies) just started pouring. You have to stay hydrated.

I wonder if paddle shifters help or hurt in the snow and ice. I would think (I don't have them on 2011) that feathering the brake would be better than a quick downshift. Can't that non-automatic shift put you into a slide or is that the fun of it?
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That's my biggest reason for driving like a little old man. It's just so much more relaxing than driving like an idiot. Added bonus that save fuel and wear.
When I do that, yes it is relaxing, results in less wear and tear on my rig, and gets you better MPGs.

I need to do that more. I have this problem where I feel like I'm not getting anywhere unless I am passing others on the road. It's an old motorcycle habit, from safety, to reduce the vehicles bearing down behind me.
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You know that old saying about the guys going faster than you are maniacs and the ones going slower are morons. Funny thing is the older I get it seems like there are fewer of the latter and more of the former.
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.... I wonder if paddle shifters help or hurt in the snow and ice. I would think (I don't have them on 2011) that feathering the brake would be better than a quick downshift. Can't that non-automatic shift put you into a slide or is that the fun of it?
Well, if you reduce gears in a manner which allows gradual reduction in speed rather than a quick jerk from dropping them too fast, you can reduce speed without causing a slide. Similar to feathering the brake. If you want to have a little "fun" though you can drop 2 gears or spike the brake to get it loose.

There's definitely an art to driving in the snow/ice. It takes a lot of practice, that even some northerners never figure out
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I wonder if paddle shifters help or hurt in the snow and ice. I would think (I don't have them on 2011) that feathering the brake would be better than a quick downshift. Can't that non-automatic shift put you into a slide or is that the fun of it?
Downshifting is far better. Engine braking, when done correctly, produces far less resistance on the wheels than the brakes, which are meant to bring over 2 tons to a stop as quickly as possible in an emergency.

The paddles are even better than a manual because there's no engaging and disengaging a clutch and the transmission is designed to negate much of the roughness of downshifting.

Plus, assuming you're running in snow mode or some other mode for slippery conditions, the Jeep is going to be able to add or remove power to the various wheels as needed, verses trying in vain to prevent brake lock-up. When you try to help, you only make matters worse by confusing the computer.
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I drove over Sonora Pass again yesterday. The paddle shifters really help to control downhill speed, especially on a pass as steep as this one - as much as a 26% grade at certain points.


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I drove over Sonora Pass again yesterday. The paddle shifters really help to control downhill speed, especially on a pass as steep as this one - as much as a 26% grade at certain points.
Been back'n forth over that pass a few times myself. Beautiful drive.

Not my personal pics but yours aren't showing up for some reason.





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Been back'n forth over that pass a few times myself. Beautiful drive.

Not my personal pics but yours aren't showing up for some reason.





Yes it is a beautiful drive. Next summer the wife and I are plaaning a trip to Europe and I'm finding a few beautiful Alpine passes north of Lakes Como and Maggiore in northern Italy and Switzerland (the Furka Pass (elev. 8,000'), Susten Pass (7,400'), and San Bernardino Pass (6,800')), but I wonder how they compare to our beautiful passes over the Sierras right here in my own back yard?

Not sure why my pics aren't displaying, I'll have to figure that out but they are of that sign saying 26% grade. Even though that sign says 1 Mile Ahead it is actually a few miles west of the top of the pass, and from there to the top it is narrow and winding, and only a few chances to turn a long trailer or RV around. Otherwise if such a driver went over to the east side in such a rig, they might well be EFF'd on a tight switchback.

Your other sign that says 9624', that was right at the top of the pass, it is no longer there. Maybe too many people were stopping to take their picture at that sign. I know I've done that. Problem is, there isn't much space right there at that sign and it wasn't very safe to be walking around there. A few feet beyond that sign, which faced eastbound traffic, the road turns sharp left and drops suddenly and dramatically - after a gradual climb to the top from the west, it then drops 500' in the first 1/2 mile, as you well know, MDBones. For westbound traffic, that corner is a blind corner and could present a pedestrian hazard if pedestrians did not cross smartly.

Speaking of dramatic climbs and drops, last night we drove up to Glacier Lodge from Big Pine, and that road is really something else (here's a map of it). Big Pine is at 4,000' elevation and Glacier Lodge is almost at 8,000' - and that near-4,000' climb is done in 11 miles. The first 3,000' of it is done in the first 7 miles out of Big Pine. It is stunning and dramatic. It has been years since I was last up there.

Again, the paddle shifters (the thread topic, after all) helped me to control downhill speed and save my brakes for if and when I really need them.

Speaking of dramatic mountain passes, today we'll go home by taking the Tioga Road through Yosemite. Tioga Pass is 9,945' and the east side from Lee Vining to the top is beautiful.
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Yes it is a beautiful drive. Next summer the wife and I are plaaning a trip to Europe and I'm finding a few beautiful Alpine passes north of Lakes Como and Maggiore in northern Italy and Switzerland (the Furka Pass (elev. 8,000'), Susten Pass (7,400'), and San Bernardino Pass (6,800')), but I wonder how they compare to our beautiful passes over the Sierras right here in my own back yard?
You'll never know until you go.

Every mountain range is unique and has it's own beauty. I've covered a good part of the Rockies and Cascades but by far the Sierras are my favorite. They aren't the tallest but I love the formations and coloration. I envy anyone who lives within a day's drive.

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Not sure why my pics aren't displaying, I'll have to figure that out but they are of that sign saying 26% grade. Even though that sign says 1 Mile Ahead it is actually a few miles west of the top of the pass, and from there to the top it is narrow and winding, and only a few chances to turn a long trailer or RV around. Otherwise if such a driver went over to the east side in such a rig, they might well be EFF'd on a tight switchback.
Yes, I remember that. LOL... I wouldn't have the cajones to pull a trailer or take an RV anywhere on 108.

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Your other sign that says 9624', that was right at the top of the pass, it is no longer there. Maybe too many people were stopping to take their picture at that sign. I know I've done that. Problem is, there isn't much space right there at that sign and it wasn't very safe to be walking around there. A few feet beyond that sign, which faced eastbound traffic, the road turns sharp left and drops suddenly and dramatically - after a gradual climb to the top from the west, it then drops 500' in the first 1/2 mile, as you well know, MDBones. For westbound traffic, that corner is a blind corner and could present a pedestrian hazard if pedestrians did not cross smartly.
I agree. There were a lot of people stopping (including us) and it felt dangerous. If I recall, was there a hiking trail to the right of the sign?

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Speaking of dramatic climbs and drops, last night we drove up to Glacier Lodge from Big Pine, and that road is really something else (here's a map of it). Big Pine is at 4,000' elevation and Glacier Lodge is almost at 8,000' - and that near-4,000' climb is done in 11 miles. The first 3,000' of it is done in the first 7 miles out of Big Pine. It is stunning and dramatic. It has been years since I was last up there.
We usually made our runs into that region using 395 out of Reno. However, we never made it far enough south to Big Pine to check that out. June and Mammoth Lakes area is as far south as we got on the east side. I've been to Yosemite and Kings Canyon/Sequioa NP's a couple of times but the closest I got to Glacier Lodge was as far as the roads let me come in from the west.

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Again, the paddle shifters (the thread topic, after all) helped me to control downhill speed and save my brakes for if and when I really need them.
Most definitely agree. There were a lot of places out there where the smell of burnt brakes ruined the scent of cedar and ponderosa pine.

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Speaking of dramatic mountain passes, today we'll go home by taking the Tioga Road through Yosemite. Tioga Pass is 9,945' and the east side from Lee Vining to the top is beautiful.
That's a beautiful drive and the way we usually went to Yosemite. The first time was in a CJ-7. We pulled the bikini top off and folded the windshield down after we got on 120. I can't even find the words to describe the feeling of doing that. It was an incredible high. Enjoy the trip!
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