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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

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You said EVERYTHING that I said that makes people "think" they have a luxury SUV

A true luxury car/suv will have all of those things included in their cars from the base model on up. What do you get with a laredo? Hell, how about a Limited? You people buy your Overlands and Summits then try to pose as if you guys really got something. Same thing happen with the Chrysler 300 group walking around thinking they got a "mini RR" (or Bentley forgot which one) You can put some cheap $5 whiskey in the bottle of whiskey that cost over $100. At the end of the day, you still have a $5 bottle of whiskey.


Even Chevy Sonics have low cabin noise.... its the sign of the times and better/cheaper sound damping tech.



I know what luxury is. I'm just not easily impressed by cheap knock offs. If your Overlands are sooooo luxury, call road side to change out your flat tire. Oh wait, you can't..... its not covered. Go up to the dealership and after the service writer gets done with taking care of the Jeep Patriot and/or Dodge Caliber, ask them for a rental car since your car is going to be down for an oil change. Oh wait, you can't. Well maybe they will give you a car if your car is down for a few days for warranty work. Oh wait, they don't have that too?

Prove me wrong on the V6s. You can't. All of the cars that I said above is comparable to the 5.7L but cost less for upkeep. Safety standpoint? Really? Like what? Overtaking a mom in her minivan on the highway? If she has the 3.6L in her minivan then you would really be screwed. Get real. The only WK made that is truly impressive for speed, braking, and handling is the SRT8, anything else is just a SUV to tow or to transport.
No Overland buyer is posing. And having an Overland is really having something special. You on the other hand post on a Grand Cherokee forum and drive a Ford Escape. LOL
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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

Gc4x4 if you can get a deal without any loss that would be cool. I had my 2010 WK for a year and was miserable with the pissy little 3.7 V6(HORRIBLE) Chrysler engine ugh. I had my 2010 for a year and some little things started going wrong with it like pillars popping out of place and my dash board shifted strange little things. lol. So that shoved me over the edge to get a 2012 V6. I don't tow anything but I did test drive the V8 and was impressed with the power over the V6, but I still liked the V6. It had ample power for me, I don't tow or do anything like that but I know how it is to be unhappy with a vehicle so if this deal can go through without any financial loss do it you wont be satisfied until you do, or like someone stated above get more equity in your current Jeep and wait for the 2014's (assuming you like some of the minimal changes we have seen on the website). Go for it man!
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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

A true luxury car/suv will have all of those things included in their cars from the base model on up. What do you get with a laredo? Hell, how about a Limited? You people buy your Overlands and Summits then try to pose as if you guys really got something. Same thing happen with the Chrysler 300 group walking around thinking they got a "mini RR" (or Bentley forgot which one) You can put some cheap $5 whiskey in the bottle of whiskey that cost over $100. At the end of the day, you still have a $5 bottle of whiskey.>>>



Dude, you sound pretty silly and clearly you're sitting around making up rules for what a luxury SUV is. I guess the Mitsubishi Evo isn't a sports car since it's just a souped up Lancer, right? But the Evo handles better than a GT-R! Nope, sorry...according to you it's just a Lancer and no sports car! LOL. Now go try to sell that concept to anyone who's knowledgeable about cars!
Okay, back on planet Earth luxury SUV means a comfortable truck, generally mid-sized or larger. My father was ready to kill Mercedes for their rotten broken promises and bought a Subaru. To him the Subaru offers more luxury because it's staying bolted together. Oh, and both of us get loaner cars. Heck, I even got that with my Outlander. The dealer will make or break the car regardless of promises on the manufacturer website.
Pretty much everything you've said points to a person who really knows little about cars, driving dynamics and of course engines. My wife said the V6 was DANGEROUS on the on-ramp. She's exactly right. If you need to squeeze out between two trucks fast it will also let you down.
Now, since you're clearly not been watching Jeep's business model with the GC, let me help. The latest incarnation is Jeep's winning effort to expand a given car platform into various buying segments. BMW did this as well to pretty much the same extent with their 3 series and continues to do it. They have 13 versions! Audi has just 4 or 5 of their A4 series. Different business models. Why relegate a good platform to just one class of buyer?
Enhancing a platform into a new price/class has been part of the car business for a LONG time. You sound silly trying to tell people that a Overland/Summit costing 50K is not a luxury SUV. So the Land Rover has horrible service and support and that also means they're not a luxury SUV?

Now getting back to the engine: The V6 is serviceable. Just like a Laredo is serviceable. But it's a distinctly different car from a V8 powered Overland. My friend has a Overland with V6 and he's so impressed with my Hemi powered version that next week he's going to try to escape his lease early.

Luxury SUV means....a really comfortable SUV! And that it. They also have leather, heated and vented seats, huge amount of toys/features and insanely quiet compliant ride quality. They also tend to cost 45K as a starting point and go well up from there. Some are more reliable than others, have higher resale and better service.

If you own a V6 Laredo and don't like the idea that the Overland is a higher class of vehicle you're in for a tough time. The VW Touareg Hybrid is also in a different class from the regular version. Gee...I drove the X5 base model, then the twin turbo. They were totally different cars...but they look the same to the uneducated.


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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

Someone was saying something about the GC not being a true luxury SUV. It depends on the level of the GC you get. But I will say this BMW,Mercedes, Range Rover ect... They restrict a lot of color options. Like lexus for example you cant get a 450 Black exterior with a black interior they make you take take tan and have certain exterior color choices with selected interior color choices. At least with Jeep with its many level choices, each level has its own interior choice (up to the regular Overland) and you can get that interior choice with any exterior choice you want. That has always bugged me with Luxury brands. Sure they give you many options standard that Jeep only offers on certain models, at least Jeep doesnt restrict your color options, really shows that they want people in the market for a Jeep to get what they want.
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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

No Overland buyer is posing. And having an Overland is really having something special. You on the other hand post on a Grand Cherokee forum and drive a Ford Escape. LOL>>>


Sounds like he's having buyers remorse or something. The Escape has little in common with a Laredo let alone an Overland. I think he looks at cars through a fairly narrow window in regards to capability. His comment, "O-60" doesn't mean cr@p" makes it clear that he's not exactly the most knowledgeable driver. Then again he doesn't have to be. We all have requirements for a car, Mine were these....

1) Ability to handle bad roads and HEAVY snow (Air suspension and class leading 4x4)
2) Quiet and luxurious ride to match Audi or Lexus (Amazing that Jeep got this done)
3) All the bells and whistles (Beam me up! The Overland is loaded)
4) Correct level of power for a heavy SUV (The hemi is excellent and sits at the higher end of the luxury class)

Ford Escape is nothing at all like a GC Laredo let alone an Overland. I'm sorry that this is not PC, but the 2012 Escape is TERRIBLE. I've driven it. Braking is awful and handling nearly as bad. Even Edmunds mentions this. It's a primitive baby truck at best. On the other hand the 2013 Escape looks like a winner. They fixed the brakes and handling.

It would be next to impossible to buy a 2012 Escape if you test drove and researched it, assuming you know something about cars and driving.
In other words...I think we have our answer.


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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

been said already, but I'll say it anyway.

Maybe the OP should pop down to ford and ask if they have any ancient 2012 escapes available for purchase.

The jeep GC might not be luxury (if that means cheaper green fees at select golf courses), but what does that make an escape!!
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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

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No Overland buyer is posing. And having an Overland is really having something special. You on the other hand post on a Grand Cherokee forum and drive a Ford Escape. LOL>>>


Sounds like he's having buyers remorse or something. The Escape has little in common with a Laredo let alone an Overland. I think he looks at cars through a fairly narrow window in regards to capability. His comment, "O-60" doesn't mean cr@p" makes it clear that he's not exactly the most knowledgeable driver. Then again he doesn't have to be. We all have requirements for a car, Mine were these....

1) Ability to handle bad roads and HEAVY snow (Air suspension and class leading 4x4)
2) Quiet and luxurious ride to match Audi or Lexus (Amazing that Jeep got this done)
3) All the bells and whistles (Beam me up! The Overland is loaded)
4) Correct level of power for a heavy SUV (The hemi is excellent and sits at the higher end of the luxury class)

Ford Escape is nothing at all like a GC Laredo let alone an Overland. I'm sorry that this is not PC, but the 2012 Escape is TERRIBLE. I've driven it. Braking is awful and handling nearly as bad. Even Edmunds mentions this. It's a primitive baby truck at best. On the other hand the 2013 Escape looks like a winner. They fixed the brakes and handling.

It would be next to impossible to buy a 2012 Escape if you test drove and researched it, assuming you know something about cars and driving.
In other words...I think we have our answer.


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WTH, you are just stating what magazines are writing and not driving none of those cars yourself

Never compared the Escape to a Laredo in this thread. However, the Escape is a better car..... that is why I picked it. after driving the WK2 for a bit and having the Escape to drive it was clear that I wasn't going to get a WK2. Plus I wasn't going to take the huge hit on resale like I did with my last Jeep and every other Jeep (not including the Wrangler). If Escapes suck so hard, why do they out sale every single Jeep model? A 5.7L WK tried to get away from be but failed. A "luxury" WK couldn't over take a little baby Escape. But yet, from 0-60, the WK2 would have won. Yes 0-60 times don't mean jack crap. Here is another shocker, the new 2013 Escape, rides just the same as the 2012. The newer Escapes just have a more powerful engine set up.

"Ability to handle bad roads and HEAVY snow (Air suspension and class leading 4x4)"

Any 4wd suv/truck cnd do this with a good set of tires. Its nothing big...... suvs/trucks have been doing this for years.

" Quiet and luxurious ride to match Audi or Lexus (Amazing that Jeep got this done)"

Once again, most mid priced cars have a very quiet ride and a smooth ride. Nothing new in todays times. I drove a Chevy Caprice and even with top lights and a spot light, at 80 mph the wind noise was next to none and the ride itself was just awesome...... and thats a police car.

"All the bells and whistles (Beam me up! The Overland is loaded)"

What like a nav system? A 20K Chevy Cruse has that lol


"Correct level of power for a heavy SUV"

4.5K isn't heavy. Once again, you do not have a luxury SUV and the 5.7L isn't fast.

I have owned two luxury cars in my life..... real ones, not posing like I have one. The WK2 can not hold a candle to them. The level of service was/is leaps over what any Jeep dealership can hold.


I'm done debating with a buch of people that don't know true luxury if it bit them in the ass. This thread as turned into a bunch of crybabies with a fake coach purse trying to convince THEMSELVES that its a real one. l never heard of a bunch of WK1 guys trying to push their trucks off as being a luxury suv. Just one of the many reasons why the WK2 folks tend to fence themselves from the rest... most is living in a dream world that just because they paid $45K for a car (which is the norm now) that the streets should be lined with gold for them.

Enjoy your $5 bottle of wiskey folks!
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[QUOTE=Knightrider03m;685115]WTH, you are just stating what magazines are writing and not driving none of those cars yourself

Never compared the Escape to a Laredo in this thread. However, the Escape is a better car..... that is why I picked it.>>


Sir, I've driven more cars this year than you probably drove in the last 10. I work with a yachtclub where my boat is docked and we host many dealers. I've driven everything from the Nissan GT-R to a tracked Cayenne. I own a Overland V8 and will soon be buying the GT-R.
When you make the statements you have you've tipped your hand and shown you a$$. I have driven the Escape and the newest one. If you can't tell the difference between them in driving dynamics then you absolutley bought the right car and everyone else is a liar.

<<<most is living in a dream world that just because they paid $45K for a car <<<(which is the norm now)>>>

It is? Hmmmm. Let's see what Autos.com says:

Average price for a new car (includes SUVs and trucks) 30K.

(Now, I'm not a math wiz, but I'm just guessing that 45K is more than 30K?)

Let's read on:

"Next up is the midsize SUV category. These models normally range around the $25,000 mark, with some near the $30,000 MSRP range. An example in this class wold be the Ford Edge, which prices out at $26,000 for the base model. The next two classes are where the prices start rising big time. The large SUV class, which are the largest vehicles on the market at times, normally will run you over $40,000. These models have the ultimate room for cargo and passengers, with most seating eight to nine people. Models include the Chevy Tahoe, Toyota Sequoia, and others. These models start from $37,000 and up, with the limited editions and premium packages increasing the price over $40,000. The last class is the luxury SUV, which is the most expensive. These models typically run from $45,000 to over $60,000.
The smallest part of the SUV market, which you are not in, is the last.

We can see you're upset, almost frantic at this point. Why not buy something nicer next time? You won't be hanging around the WK2 forum like a sad dog. Also: Have a look at where the 2012 GC ranks on JD Powers.

Oh...BTW, I've spent much more time behind the wheel of a 2011 Audi Q7 than my Overland. Can you please explain why the Q7 is more luxurious? I do think the headlight switch is nicer!


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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

4.5K isn't heavy. Once again, you do not have a luxury SUV and the 5.7L isn't fast. >>>


Uhhhh, go check the weight of the Overland with V8 and get back to us when you move out of your parents basement!

Hint: It's not 4500 lbs! That's what a base Laredo weighs.

I actually agree with you about the service. My father's Mercedes needed tons in just two years. They were very nice about it. For 7K less he thinks the Overland is nicer in almost every way.


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A true luxury car/suv will have all of those things included in their cars from the base model on up. What do you get with a laredo? Hell, how about a Limited? You people buy your Overlands and Summits then try to pose as if you guys really got something..
Not sure if you've been in a "luxury" SUV lately, but nothing is standard. In a base model "luxury" SUV, you get halogen headlights, a crappy stereo, vinyl seats, a normal key, etc.

The only companies that have base models even slightly better than that are Range Rovers and Lincolns.
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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

Prove you wrong about what ? That the V6 does everything I want the Heep to do ? I have not been really concerned about 0-60 for a long time (since the SCCA started having rolling instead of LeMans starts) or even so much about 30-70 since am on few TLBs these days (though the Pentastar faster there than many V-8s I have had).

Nothing wrong with the Hemi just I prefer a few extra MPG & an willing to trade a bit of 1/4 mile time for it. As for accident avoidance it has more than proven itself to me (and usually stable braking/agility is more important than HP).

I've had a lot of cars primarily American and European and for me the "Heepdirow" does everything I want it to & like it better now than when I bought it. YMMV.
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Not sure if you've been in a "luxury" SUV lately, but nothing is standard. In a base model "luxury" SUV, you get halogen headlights, a crappy stereo, vinyl seats, a normal key, etc.

The only companies that have base models even slightly better than that are Range Rovers and Lincolns.

Exactly. I test drove a X5 which had very few features and if you wanted one with the toys you had to buy package after package. Very little was standard and built in.
My Overland came LOADED. Rides quieter than an X5 and feels more upscale. The X5 is a better road car and a FAR lesser off-road car. The Overland simply does more. It's more versatile.

Then again, why worry? According to the fellow above snow tires will work fine on almost anything. Yet last year our Outlander with dedicated snows was useless in 20" of snow while my friends Overland V6 was just fine on it's stock tires!
Gee...maybe a real 4X4 with a lifting suspension actually works.

Traded the Outlander for the Overland. Next up will be trading the Legacy Turbo for the Nissan GT-R. Fun and AWD! (And "fun" is putting mildly).


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