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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

Ford sells more Escapes because they include fleet sales. I work for the MTA and they have a ton of them.
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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

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Ford sells more Escapes because they include fleet sales. I work for the MTA and they have a ton of them.



There's really no reason to even discuss at this point. Until the recent redesign the Escape was a dated joke that got about as much respect as a AMC Pacer. We used a 2011 as a yard car for a while and it was terrible.

But they really did do nicely with the redesign. It's got much better balance, tight handling and brakes that work properly. Driving it is a shocking upgrade compared to the 2012 version. The new version competes with Japanese and Korean stuff now. He's either never driven one or has no idea about handling...probably both.



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Old 09-20-2012, 07:21 AM
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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

I think the dude is just jealous that he wasted his money on an uncomfortable vehicle (ford escape). If he got the base model which i'm assuming he did from the he talks, the fabric is like setting on sand paper, sounds like George Costanza's pants rubbing together. The handling in a 2012 escape is horrible, you feel like you're riding on pavement. Overall it sucks. Have not drove a 2013 i dont need to i have the vehicle i want. I may have the Laredo but mine is just a step below the Laredo X. I have nav, 20in wheels uconnect, a sunroof remote start ect... I didnt get an X, limited or Overland because i wanted to customize the inside a bit more because i didnt care much for the stock leather. I want something two-tone and Jeep didnt offer it so i went with a 38000 Laredo E (only paid 30000 for it with trade in and 1000bonus cash and good deal. Even without it being a limited or Overland I feel i got a lot for what i paid. Even though it is just a Laredo and not a higher model i still feel its a luxury SUV and i would argue that point with anyone.
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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

I have a Laredo X with a Hemi and definitely do not think of it is "luxury". I drove a Limited and an Overland and do not think they are "Luxury" also. Hyundai has the Genesis, which is a pretty decent sports car but it cannot be compared to a Vette or any other sports car because of it's name. Jeep is a utility vehicle first and everything else after that. Not that that is bad, it's just different. If Jeep wants to go upscale with it's products, it is going to take a lot longer than a few years to erase the horrible dealers, shitty programming, and outdated powerplants. Adding a radio with a 3 bar EQ and some bluetooth does not make a vehicle luxury, IMO.

Hell, just go to any dealer, that should remove any doubt that this is a luxury car.
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:54 PM
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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

All this talk about luxury vehicles.......making me laugh.

If you live in the slums of South America, paradise is when you get to the Ghetto in New York. They have indoor running water, and electricity, (if the bill gets paid). Open soup lines and government programs for help. Public transportation, and because it's america, we have the ultimate luxury.... hope.

The truth is there are really several categories cars and trucks fall into:

Sports, family (or people movers), utility,economy, luxury, and toy projects (restoration and hot rods, etc. etc.)
Then we have the next what I would call "Hybrid" catagories, like economy luxury, sports luxury, economy sports, economy family, sports family, luxury family, etc. etc. etc. It's really about assigning a word or two description than a real category anymore.
The Jeep WK2 Laredo is a utility version SUV. The Limited is aimed more at the family version, and the Overland and up is a luxury version. Every car maker does it the same way. Even Porsche and Ferarri do it this way. They have a stripped down track versions of their luxury sports cars. Which would be considered a utility version of a sports car. Luxury is about reaching a certain perceived level of poshness. You don't need cooled seats, you already have ac. But the cooled seats makes it even nicer. I would call that the very definition of luxury.
The Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland, Overland Summit, and SRT8 are very much within every definition of luxury offerings by Chrysler, and is in every way a luxury SUV, and even more so than others calling themselves a Luxury SUV. And BTW, it's not even up to you and I to classify these cars and trucks. It's up to and defined by the mfgr's. And Chrysler themselves call the WK2 a Luxury SUV. There fore it is, and will be compared to other SUV's with whom other mfgr's categorize's theirs as well.
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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

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All this talk about luxury vehicles.......making me laugh.

If you live in the slums of South America, paradise is when you get to the Ghetto in New York. They have indoor running water, and electricity, (if the bill gets paid). Open soup lines and government programs for help. Public transportation, and because it's america, we have the ultimate luxury.... hope.

The truth is there are really several categories cars and trucks fall into:

Sports, family (or people movers), utility,economy, luxury, and toy projects (restoration and hot rods, etc. etc.)
Then we have the next what I would call "Hybrid" catagories, like economy luxury, sports luxury, economy sports, economy family, sports family, luxury family, etc. etc. etc. It's really about assigning a word or two description than a real category anymore.
The Jeep WK2 Laredo is a utility version SUV. The Limited is aimed more at the family version, and the Overland and up is a luxury version. Every car maker does it the same way. Even Porsche and Ferarri do it this way. They have a stripped down track versions of their luxury sports cars. Which would be considered a utility version of a sports car. Luxury is about reaching a certain perceived level of poshness. You don't need cooled seats, you already have ac. But the cooled seats makes it even nicer. I would call that the very definition of luxury.
The Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland, Overland Summit, and SRT8 are very much within every definition of luxury offerings by Chrysler, and is in every way a luxury SUV, and even more so than others calling themselves a Luxury SUV. And BTW, it's not even up to you and I to classify these cars and trucks. It's up to and defined by the mfgr's. And Chrysler themselves call the WK2 a Luxury SUV. There fore it is, and will be compared to other SUV's with whom other mfgr's categorize's theirs as well.

Well put, but according to the poor fellow with the Escape, a Mitsubishi Evo X is the same as a Lancer. I mean it's BASED on a Lancer, same chassis and so on. How can a suspension, engine, turbo and recaro seats make it into one of the best handling cars at any price?
Hmmmm. How can an air suspension, V8, advanced electronics, napa leather seats and a bunch of other stuff make a GC different??? I could ask that of ANY luxury brand.
All you need to do is take the Audi Q7 out for a spin and then the Overland. The Overland feels stronger and is as quiet. The Audi has less room up front and the engine carries on when pushed making more noise than torque. I prefer the handling of the Audi, which has better feedback. The Overland has a MUCH better dash layout, but the Audi' switchgear is a bit nicer. The Overland does the luxury just as well and THEN is has a much more capable 4X4 system. If you want that 4X4 ability, the Overland matches the Luxury of the Audi and trounces it for off road. End of story, make your choice and pay the lady at the door. Outside of the 4 wheels, the Escape is not within spitting range of this class of SUV.



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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

So I guess he didn't go through with the deal?
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So I guess he didn't go through with the deal?

Ive got an appt at noon so I'm hoping to close the deal today, something transpired with my current jeep which ill post in another thread, Ive got a rental car right now but hopefully ill be taking this Laredo X Hemi home with me today. will keep everyone updated
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aw dude that sucks.. well... good luck on the deal, sorry about your current truck.. keep us updated!
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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

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The Explorer, pathfinder, highlanders all have V6 engines that cost less to own than the 5.7L V8 and can all put in the same work
No they do not - outside of the turbo charged Ford. The hemi is a victim of marketing - honestly. Someone decided 'displacement/hp" is the only useful metric for engine power.

But its just not true - and has never been true. Pushrod engines cost less to manufacture, weigh less the smaller displacement engines DOHC engines, and produce more horsepower at lower rpms (this is a simple sideffect of the higher torque from the larger displacement). They are also very often physically smaller then modern DOHC or even larger DOHC turbo engines.

So when a nice 3.6 (Direct injection engine is making 100hp) at around say 2.5 rpm the Hemi is making 150 and it holds that kind of lead at higher rpms until it runs out of steam at high rpms.

This is why its a great engine for trucks.. The ONLY issue with pushrods is their efficency. They are not antiquated - just a different solution - a high displacement but low weight/low cost engine.
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No they do not - outside of the turbo charged Ford. The hemi is a victim of marketing - honestly. Someone decided 'displacement/hp" is the only useful metric for engine power.

But its just not true - and has never been true. Pushrod engines cost less to manufacture, weigh less the smaller displacement engines DOHC engines, and produce more horsepower at lower rpms (this is a simple sideffect of the higher torque from the larger displacement). They are also very often physically smaller then modern DOHC or even larger DOHC turbo engines.

So when a nice 3.6 (Direct injection engine is making 100hp) at around say 2.5 rpm the Hemi is making 150 and it holds that kind of lead at higher rpms until it runs out of steam at high rpms.

This is why its a great engine for trucks.. The ONLY issue with pushrods is their efficency. They are not antiquated - just a different solution - a high displacement but low weight/low cost engine.
I wasn't in the design room when they came to the conclusions for the 5.7 Hemi. This is just how it looks to me. I think Jeep just wanted to sell a bunch of WK2's. And the Hemi market to the southern portion of the US is large enough to move many more chassis's. Just think what these boards would look like if they didn't have a Hemi in it? So, they really had to. They would be launching the most advanced chassis Mercedes Benz had designed so far, with a brand new engine platform. I think the V8 was put in as "insurance to sales". For some reason, those 1980's 4 bangers with double digit horsepower figures, and 85 mph top speeds has us all so very scared that we might not have enough hp under the hood to make it back up the driveway. "Cause you never know........" LOL!!!!

The part I'm not so sure about though was, look at all the great new tech on the V6, the Hemi looks like a dinasour next to it. Yes, it produces more HP and torque then the V6, but, the V6 has alot more potential still, and if they used the same new tech on the V8, then maybe it could be a 4.5 liter V8, and produce 400 HP and 400 FT, AND get over the 20 MPG hump, share the same maintenance schedule the current 3.6 liter does, AND Then I would buy one!
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Re: Possible trade for a WK2 Hemi, need advice from hemi owners

If Mr Escape thinks that the Escape is in the same league or class as an Laredo E, let alone an X or Summit...it's time for him to have another drink! Let him think what he wants to think. Who care's...too bad for him!
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