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#1 ·
Hey all;

Been roaming around the various forums recently as I am trying to get some info on the 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokees as my wife is contemplating trading in her current ride and the GC is high up on the list as a potential. Myself I am a avid forums reader/ poster and happy modder, cars, not trucks atm.... Having gleaned a lot information from the sites which helped learn about my current car and actually helped me get the best possible deals I could, I am going to get the same information I can on these vehicles to help her get the best possible price period.

That being said, I will give the list of things that are must haves for her and go from there.

Must haves

1) Heated seats
2) defrosting mirrors
3) Must have 4WD not awd.
4) 5.7 Hemi

I know it is a pretty short list and virtually anything with leather seats would fit the bill. One of the things I have noticed is there are a lot of models, IE:Laredo (X), Limited, Altitude, SUmmit, Overland, and of course SRT (no explanation needed there....:p)

What the vehicle will be is a daily driver, weekend grocery getter, Weekend Beach driver.... There is a beach we can drive on during the summer which she enjoys when we get the chance. The daily commute is about 9 miles one way and about 18 stop lights. I had a 2012 Dodge Charger which we used to travel to vacation and she loved the ride, the radio (Sat radio with 8.4 screen) and the mileage I got down and back on the 450 mile trip. I realize this is not a car and will not drive the same, (Owned several SUV/ P'Up trucks over the years) so she is comfortable with the abilities and shortcomings of the 5.7 Hemi.

My questions are which model would be good enough for her, She does not need the top of the line nor does she want it. What she does want is the most bang for her buck. Also the most the will pay tax title tags is 36k I realize this opens the door to most anything and all, and I can say both her and I are not interested in the 2014 ATM due to the fact they are introducing new things like the 8 speed.....

Is there a specific options package we should be looking for along with certain things to avoid at all costs to get in the window she wants to be in for a price? She also has a trade which is about 7-10k in value Color wise no red, no yellow, no black. She also does not want a black interior. Are there any goodies we should ask to be installed, or included on the price as well before signing on the dotted line as well?

One vehicle we have seen is a 5.7 Laredo MSRP 42,875 (internet discount 5880) with final price of 36995. I have not inquired about this or anything beyond a web search. One of the things I have been told about Jeeps is the price is what it is, which from reading these forums the past couple days I am happy to find out it is not the case. As I am one of those people who will go to 10 different dealers to get the best possible price and the most bang for my buck...

Thanks in advance for any information and hopefully a more defined choice of what we should focus on trying to purchase.
 
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#2 ·
4WD (Quadratrac II) is standard with the 5.7L Hemi. Last I checked, Jeep was offering a $1500 "power bonus" for selecting the Hemi, which is a great deal.

For what you're looking for a Laredo X with the Hemi would be the perfect fit, though you'll want to make sure it has the 430N navigation system (if you want navi)....navi is optional on Laredo X.
 
#3 ·
4WD (Quadratrac II) is standard with the 5.7L Hemi. Last I checked, Jeep was offering a $1500 "power bonus" for selecting the Hemi, which is a great deal.

For what you're looking for a Laredo X with the Hemi would be the perfect fit, though you'll want to make sure it has the 430N navigation system (if you want navi)....navi is optional on Laredo X.

Thanks for the response, While the tech toys are nice, she does not need them, though if it is part of a package, she will take it.
 
#4 · (Edited)
WK2Jeeps.com - 2011-2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee menu

has a complete description of what features come in what models and what are in the option packages, kinda like a shopping list. Also provided are the MSRP and invoice prices to give you an idea of dealer wiggle room. Dealers also get a hold back if they are good boys, so there is a bit of profit there even at invoice. Join tread lightly and get the friends and family price of 1% under invoice. With a lot of work you may be able to do better, but it does save a lot of time.

2013s are out of production, so what you find on the lots are it. The 2014 with its 8 speed transmission are being built at this time, you may want to look at the 2104 as it should run a bit better, if you can believe the RAM forums.
 
#5 ·
So since you're not looking for top of the line I'm guessing we can eliminate the SRT/Summit/Overlands.

The Laredo you listed is nice but you're at Limited prices at that point. It's personal preference of course but the Limited does get the HID's, panoroof, memory seats and a bunch of other stuff that are either optional or not available on the Laredo's. The altitude is basically just a Laredo with an appearance pkg.:thumbsup:

And I'm not just saying the Limited is awesome because I own one.....ok maybe I'm a teeny bit biased.....but just a little! :)

Either way the Limited or Laredo should be perfect for the wife. Happy hunting! :)
 
#6 ·
Sounds like the Laredo X is perfect...
 
#7 ·
Thanks for the responses so far. We took a look at several GC today which included several 3.6models, a couple 5.7 Laredo and Limited, a few overland and one SRT. Immediately she was drawn to the SRT model. Too funny imo.... We saw the interiors of the Laredo and Limited and the limiteds had woodgrain at this lot. One thing she did comment on was how plain the wheels looked on the Laredo. Myself, I like the wheels which come on the Nav equipped vehicles. She is okay with a Limited or a Laredo. They also had a Trailhawk there in Silver which she liked as well, but the MSRP was close to 50k.

Now, the fun part shall begin. Sending out E-mails to figure out which dealerships will deal and which are full of BS. From what I have seen so far, most vehicles which she would be interested in are in the 40-43k range before any incentives/ discounts or haggling begins. This is not including the trailhawk, while nice, I am not too sure any dealership will discount that to prices which she wants to be at out the door which is 36k. I think she can hit 36k before we add in her trade.

Discounts/ incentives currently are 1500 for a v8, 500 consumer cash and another 500. Am I correct in that 2500 total in incentives? I have seen several vehicles with dealer discounts up to 6k and I am pretty confident they are including every potential discount someone can get and even those which someone cannot get as being included as part of that 6k and once we get there it will be MSRP minus 2500 for the previously mentioned incentives.

So, realistically what can someone expect to pay for a 40-43k MSRP vehicle.... or better yet, what should be my price range for a out the door price including incentives and haggling, but not taking into account her trade in.

I have read a few threads which say price should be around 34-36k..... thoughts?
 
#9 · (Edited)
The dealer incentive is the ~$3000 from Jeep and the ~$3000 the dealer takes off the MSRP. It is not $6000 off of invoice :) You will often see lower internet pricing but they typically include something like $5000 in trade allowance somewhere in the fine print. It makes it looks like you are getting $11000 off where in fact its an above invoice price.

I found better deals initially visiting dealers in person than shopping via emails. Oh and you will find them much more willing to discount toward the end of February, although that gets you into the classic presidents day buying frenzy....
 
#10 · (Edited)
The dealer incentive is the ~$3000 from Jeep and the ~$3000 the dealer takes off the MSRP. It is not $6000 off of invoice :) You will often see lower internet pricing but they typically include something like $5000 in trade allowance somewhere in the fine print. It makes it looks like you are getting $11000 off where in fact its an above invoice price.

I found better deals initially visiting dealers in person than shopping via emails. Oh and you will find them much more willing to discount toward the end of February, although that gets you into the classic presidents day buying frenzy....

I would have to agree with you mostly that it is better to go in person, though imo, dropping a few e-mails will hopefully weed out those who are totally unwilling to deal or accept other than a set price. Pretty much those who I am already on the fence about. It helps that Jeep is part of Chrysler now and most of them sell Dodge vehicles so, I kind of have a idea who the dealership is that we will ultimately buy from. Unfortunately one of the dealerships who has the color vehicle and options with the best prices is one who I flat out refuse to do business with.

However, I would be interested in knowing how much off the MSRP I can look forward to getting as a Max goal. It will help me to set sights on a particular MSRP price and or set of options. Since as stated before the trade is involved, I want to get to 36k as a max. Waiting till the last week of the month might be worthwhile overall and I had thought about that a bit.

The one thing I like on the 14's is the 8.4 screen, That was a nice setup on my charger with the Nav unit.... a very nice feature. Is there a model which has tilt in reverse mirrors? Or was that just a charger thing?
 
#14 ·
Excellent advice, and currently am just looking... For me, yea definitely too rich for my blood. LOL just got a 2013 Dodge Charger Superbee and pulling another payment for myself would mean buying a tent for the end of the GC and perma-camping in the woods.

My wife on the other hand is suffereng a bit from sticker shock. She had purchased a new vehicle back in 2006 and 2000 and she was thinking she could get a nice 4x4 SuV for under 30k, Least I have her at 36k atm... plus her trade which I think is about 7500 or so... which I am holding back that until I get deal negoiated overall.I also believe after seeing them today I am going to have my work cut out for me as she is leaning towards a Limited model moreso than the Laredo. When she gets more ready to buy, I have already told her she has to drive both the V6 and the 5.7 hemi, though I am confident she will want the Hemi as she has done nothing but complain about the lack of power these past several years.... anyhow I am rambling. I will follow up things as I get more details from dealers and what prices they are willing to give me and once I go to the actual dealers to haggle.

Oh as an aside she really liked the look of the trailhawk, but hated the sticker at 47k... I am sure many can relate to the comments she made about that.... lol

again thanks for the great tips and advice... gotta love the forums.
 
#15 ·
My spouse is relatively simple, she buys by color and size, everything else make/model/price is irrelevant... its a transportation appliance.. well she is relatively price aware.
 
#16 ·
Got a few prices

1) Trailhawk MSRP $47,075 E-Price $41,057 (includes 995 fee, 500 bonus cash and 1500 for V8)
2) Limited MSRP $43,275 E-Price $37,836 (Includes 995 fee, 500 bonus cash, and 1500 for V8)
3)Limited MSRP $42,810 E-Price $34,952 Not sure what is included with the price as in it may be a BS get you in the door price if you qualify etc....

For 1) and 2) I know I can get the prices down a bit more once I go into the dealership. This would be the 3rd vehicle purchased from them in past 10 months, so I am assuming return business is worth something to them and they are really aggressive on making deals.
 
#19 · (Edited)
Jeep just buys back the left overs, although I'm sure some dealers would want to make just a bit of money and make more quota instead of nothing. You will need to be lucky or in a rare circumstance to get more than 2% below official invoice regardless. If there are "secret" dealer incentives on a particular vehicle, perhaps 3-4%. 1% under invoice barely covers their expenses.

Now if you special order a 2014, at least one dealer is offering 4% under invoice if you are also friend and family and delivered in Colorado.
 
#21 ·
See that's just not true. I could have gotten a brand new limited v8 for 14% off MSRP. I had it in writing but decided to wait for the 2014s to decide. Sticker on the truck - $42k. Offered for $35.9k. No trades or anything. I'm sure I could have eeked out another few hundred without too much trouble.[/QUOTE

Wow, that is awesome, can you scan / show that price? I'm looking for a jeep for my sister.
 
#24 · (Edited)
It seems that big a difference because Jeep has been giving $2500 in incentives on V8s, which the dealer counted toward the offer. Common practice, fine print will say all incentives/rebates to dealer.

So, for reference if you want to apply incentives across the board, a current MSRP like number for the $42K vehicle is like $39500, an invoice like number is 36K. Not that much of a difference when comparing apples to apples.

In other words, without the current incentives the dealer would have offered ~$38.5K which is not bad as its right about invoice.

Lots of smoke and mirrors car shopping, dealers have plenty of marketing tools to separate as much money they can from you and still make you feel you got a great deal. Lots of these internet deals will be price a $42K MSRP vehicle at $32K and in the fine print is with $5000 of your money in trade or down payment. They make a tidy $1000 extra profit, but it really sounds like a great deal.
 
#26 ·
A lot of us forget that there are 4x2 WK2s out there :) 4x2s will not have a transfer case whether it is QTI or QTII. For 4x4 WK2s, QTII comes with the V8 option.
 
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