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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

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I've owned over 30 new vehicles in the last 30 years, and my '14 GC was the only car I ever got out of while it was in reverse (I thought it was in park). With over a half a million miles and no accidents, I am certainly not a poorly designed driver...


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This shifter is vague, but it does have a fail safe feature. I tried to turn it off today while I was in neutral, and it wouldn't shut down.
As I noted earlier, that's a stupid feature. When you try to shut it off, it should just go into park before shutting down. For liability sake, why not do it?

While people should pay attention, the truth is they often don't. They don't check and double check anything. If they did, nearly all failure to yield right of way accidents would be prevented.

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I'm not sure how people are getting run over when they exit the car and it's not in park, unless they keep the engine running.
That's exactly what is happening.

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When I get out, I always set the parking brake, which a lot of people don't do.
Good practice, but they pretty much ensured most people won't the day they invented that stupid pedal style parking brake. What a stupid interface that is, especially now that even the brakes are electronically applied. Just make it a little pull tab on the center console as though its one of the old hand brakes.

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When I exit my cars, I always shut them down. I almost always put the car in park when anyone else exits or enters, to avoid an accident in having the car move while someone is around it.
Not exactly practical when hooking up a trailer or other activities that might require you to maneuver between hopping in and out.

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To put the car in Park, I just push it forward and hold it, and then visually check the range indicator to be sure it's in park. You can't put it in park by feel, like my other cars. It was confusing at first, but after a a few months, I almost always get it in the right range by feel, and I know to to do a visual check of the range indicator just to be sure.
You don't have to hold it. Just push it hard. You won't break it.

Further, you may not be able to feel it in the shifter, but you can through the steering wheel and pedals when the interlock kicks in. Likewise, you can feel it go into gear when you hit reverse or drive from park vs neutral. In either case, the car kind of gives a little thunk and feels like it wants to move.
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

They can say what they want. But mine rolled down my son’s driveway 3 times. One of those times we stood there and watched it. And it was in P for sure. I agree going from D-R is one of those pay attention moments. Staring at the dash or the shifter as I’d do that makes me feel like that old gal in the parking lot staring at the dash while they shift because they don’t have a clue where it is.

Prior to this type of shifter and 45 years on the road I never had this issue.
Except when I was shifting a standard with my left hand in a car in Ireland. While making sure I was on the correct side of the road. That took some time.
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

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This shifter is vague, but it does have a fail safe feature. I tried to turn it off today while I was in neutral, and it wouldn't shut down. I'm not sure how people are getting run over when they exit the car and it's not in park, unless they keep the engine running. When I get out, I always set the parking brake, which a lot of people don't do. When I exit my cars, I always shut them down. I almost always put the car in park when anyone else exits or enters, to avoid an accident in having the car move while someone is around it. To put the car in Park, I just push it forward and hold it, and then visually check the range indicator to be sure it's in park. You can't put it in park by feel, like my other cars. It was confusing at first, but after a a few months, I almost always get it in the right range by feel, and I know to to do a visual check of the range indicator just to be sure.

I dont see how anyone can shut the engine off, without it being in park?

To put it in park you have to have your foot on the brake, and to shut off the engine, it has to be in Park and your foot on the brake.

My wife drives it every day and she has never had a problem.

My guess they will put another interlock in the program, that wont allow you to open the driver door unless it is in park or something like that.

the funny part is the press is running with this story and the same shifter, electronic for the ZF is used in some of the Euro cars and SUVs so they must have the same issues, with the lazy reporters, you would thing one would have enough brains to look into the other automakers who use ZF units with similiar shifter.
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

In the recall and reprogram they are going to have to make it so it is park before it is off. I thought first it was operating error, but there is alot of driving people that are having problems with this design.
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My guess they will put another interlock in the program, that wont allow you to open the driver door unless it is in park
Oh hell no

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My bad, for a second I thought you were trying to say that you wouldn't be able to open the drivers door unless the engine was shut off
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I dont see how anyone can shut the engine off, without it being in park?

To put it in park you have to have your foot on the brake, and to shut off the engine, it has to be in Park and your foot on the brake.
You can't. These issues are with running vehicles.

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My guess they will put another interlock in the program, that wont allow you to open the driver door unless it is in park or something like that.
That would be a horrible idea in an off road vehicle. There are times when you might need to open the door to see how close you're getting to the edge of a trail or line up you wheels with something.

If they wanted to do something like that, they'd be better off using the same weight sensor they use in the passenger seat to activate/deactivate the air bag. Leave the seat and the brakes will engage or it will automatically shift into park.
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

I was a bit concerned after reading this article prior to going out to look at some newer Grands. A 2001 limited has been my daily for about 10yrs now and going to this newer shifter almost had me reconsidering the new models. But, test drove a few and decided it was a non-issue. Haven't had any problems and neither has my wife (which was my biggest concern). Just need to pay attention to what you're doing and it'll be fine. That being said, with the number of drivers that don't pay attention to what they're doing, I'm not surprised accidents happen.
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

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I've owned over 30 new vehicles in the last 30 years, and my '14 GC was the only car I ever got out of while it was in reverse (I thought it was in park). With over a half a million miles and no accidents, I am certainly not a poorly designed driver...


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I'm almost 64 years of age, and have been driving (legally) since 1968. Over that period of time, I've also owned a significant number of cars, and also driven a significant number of others. And I've NEVER, in all of those years, had as much trouble operating an automatic shifter, as I've had with my '15 Jeep GC.

This Jeep is the ONLY vehicle I've ever driven, where I have to make a conscious effort, to determine what position the gear selector is in. My previous "winter driver" was an '05 GMC Canyon. Yes, the shifter was on the column, but it was like all my previous vehicles, step on brake, pull shift lever toward you, 3 "clicks" and you're in drive. NO PROBLEM! My previously owned '96 Z/28 Camaro. Automatic on the floor......step on brake and push button down on the shifter with palm of hand, 3 "clicks" and you're in drive. Completely intuitive!!


This Jeep is NOT intuitive, end of story!
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

This is just further proof the world is progressing toward a state of complete idiocy. There is nothing confusing about the shifter, and also reinforces that no one bothers to pay attention to the TWO gear indicators. This is like the people that leave their engines running in their garage because of their intelligent keys, but blame the intelligent key system rather than themselves for not paying attention. The slight initial frustration is in changing between gears like reverse and drive, NOT figuring out whether you are in PARK or DRIVE, because the "throw" is a lot shorter than other vehicles. No worse than the gated shifters that were popular for so long and felt completely abnormal. People hate change and yet demand new technology. In under a day of driving the Jeep, I knew how to tell by FEEL alone which gear I selected.

I am amazed every vehicle today does not have just four buttons on the dash for selecting gears...certainly, it would prevent confusion for these poor people...
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Wow...this whole thing just blows my mind. How hard can it be folks?
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Wow...this whole thing just blows my mind. How hard can it be folks?

As MANY people have stated, after driving other vehicles for MANY years, this design simply isn't intuitive, compared to what we drove in the past. AND, it's further compounded by those of us who have other cars in our family fleet, therefore we're using other shifters and/or we don't drive the Jeep daily. My wife has 2 Jags, and they have electronic shifters, yet they work in a far simpler way than the Jeep. Why? Because they have detents, like shifters have had for DECADES.

Secondly, to those who profess that "all you have to do is look either at the dash indicator or the gear selector", consider that for the LAST 40 Years, I didn't have to look at the gear selector, because as I stated in a previous post, "3 clicks from Park, and I was in Drive".....OR "3 clicks from Drive, and I was in Park"......a VERY SIMPLE design that wasn't broken, therefore didn't need fixing.....
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