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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

This isn't the first vehicle Ive driven.....
Its also the EXACT same as you say above for this shifter. 3 clicks down to drive...3 back up. 1 click to reverse...1 click back up.

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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

The detents seem too soft and too close together.
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

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Bingo!!


I'm almost 64 years of age, and have been driving (legally) since 1968. Over that period of time, I've also owned a significant number of cars, and also driven a significant number of others. And I've NEVER, in all of those years, had as much trouble operating an automatic shifter, as I've had with my '15 Jeep GC.

This Jeep is the ONLY vehicle I've ever driven, where I have to make a conscious effort, to determine what position the gear selector is in. My previous "winter driver" was an '05 GMC Canyon. Yes, the shifter was on the column, but it was like all my previous vehicles, step on brake, pull shift lever toward you, 3 "clicks" and you're in drive. NO PROBLEM! My previously owned '96 Z/28 Camaro. Automatic on the floor......step on brake and push button down on the shifter with palm of hand, 3 "clicks" and you're in drive. Completely intuitive!!


This Jeep is NOT intuitive, end of story!
Well, just to keep the lame "I'm so old I can't be wrong" meme going, I'm 72 years old and have been driving since below 12 [farm/ranch boy] years old.

I frankly don't have an issue with the shifter, but then I've driven everything from the old brownie boxes to caterpillars to combines, and have the bad habit of looking what I am doing.

Having said that, I can see where for a certain class of driver the new shifter is as unfortunate a design as the old Audi 5000 brake/gas pedal system.
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

I think it's the best shifter I've used push all the way back and your in drive all the way forward and your parked just 1 pull back and your in reverse


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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

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I think it's the best shifter I've used push all the way back and your in drive all the way forward and your parked just 1 pull back and your in reverse

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It's a very bad design.

There should be NO NEED to COUNT the number of click, detents, or notches with a properly designed automatic transmission.

All the way forward and to the right........Reverse
All the way forward and to the left..........Park
All the way back (from either Park or Reverse.....Drive
Push all the way forward without pressing a button.....Neutral

The shifter on the 2014/15 Jeep Grand Cherokee requires you to COUNT the number of detents/clicks/notches in order to go from DRIVE to REVERSE. That BTW is my ONLY Real Problem with it. Trying to shift from Drive to Reverse in Any kind of Emergency or Urgent situation has a HIGH POSSIBILITY of FAILING, which would result in you ending up in the Wrong Gear (Neutral or Park most likely). This is simply unacceptable in what is supposed to be a Modern Vehicle.

It has nothing to do with drivers not "understanding" or properly "learning" to use the transmission. The Basic Design is flawed.

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I think it's the best shifter I've used push all the way back and your in drive all the way forward and your parked just 1 pull back and your in reverse


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Yep...theres also that way. Bery good shifter imho
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It's a very bad design.

There should be NO NEED to COUNT the number of click, detents, or notches with a properly designed automatic transmission.

All the way forward and to the right........Reverse
All the way forward and to the left..........Park
All the way back (from either Park or Reverse.....Drive
Push all the way forward without pressing a button.....Neutral

The shifter on the 2014/15 Jeep Grand Cherokee requires you to COUNT the number of detents/clicks/notches in order to go from DRIVE to REVERSE. That BTW is my ONLY Real Problem with it. Trying to shift from Drive to Reverse in Any kind of Emergency or Urgent situation has a HIGH POSSIBILITY of FAILING, which would result in you ending up in the Wrong Gear (Neutral or Park most likely). This is simply unacceptable in what is supposed to be a Modern Vehicle.

It has nothing to do with drivers not "understanding" or properly "learning" to use the transmission. The Basic Design is FLAWED.

Anyone who doesn't understand this very basic issue isn't very bright IMHO.
This is not true at all. You can also hold the button snd pull back and hold and it goes to drive. Push up and hold and it goes to park. Push up 2 times and it goes into reverse. Just like the "old" shifters you all speak of.
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

One of the articles I read talked about 'muscle memory'. Certain things we do over and over again we do automatically. With a turn signal, up is left and down is right. The lever doesn't go left and right.

If Jeep decided to switch that it would still work just as well. Some would say, no problem. If you can't figure it out you shouldn't be driving. In reality, we don't think about up being left every time we make a left. Our hand instinctively pushes a lever up for a left.

This is why shifting to and from sport mode is not initially instinctive. We are used to going in the opposite direction to reverse an action.

I'm looking forward to hearing from owners of the new Grands to see their reaction, in particular those that had 14 &15's

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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

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This is not true at all. You can also hold the button snd pull back and hold and it goes to drive. Push up and hold and it goes to park. Push up 2 times and it goes into reverse. Just like the "old" shifters you all speak of.
What IS true is this:

A properly designed shifter in an automatic transmission should not require moving a level partially in any direction to change gears/drive modes. ALL transitions should involving moving the shifter fully in a direction. There should be no need to count the number of notches, detents, or clicks when changing gears/drive modes.

This is nothing new and how properly designed automatic transmission shifters have functioned for decades. You move the shifter fully in a direction to change gears/drive modes. The only possible exception is going into Neutral.

BMW designed a fully electronic shifter that functions properly. There is no need to count the number of detents or clicks. You move the shifter fully in the proper direction (or press a button) to change gears/drive modes.



It is sad that some people don't seem to be bright enough to understand this fairly simple concept.
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I like the way that shifts into and out of auto S mode.
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I like everything about it. Especially the Park feature.
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What IS true is this:

A properly designed shifter in an automatic transmission should not require moving a level partially in any direction to change gears/drive modes. ALL transitions should involving moving the shifter fully in a direction. There should be no need to count the number of notches, detents, or clicks when changing gears/drive modes.

This is nothing new and how properly designed automatic transmission shifters have functioned for decades. You move the shifter fully in a direction to change gears/drive modes. The only possible exception is going into Neutral.

BMW designed a fully electronic shifter that functions properly. There is no need to count the number of detents or clicks. You move the shifter fully in the proper direction (or press a button) to change gears/drive modes.



It is sad that some people don't seem to be bright enough to understand this fairly simple concept.
Im not gonna warn you again on the childish comments.
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