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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

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I like everything about it. Especially the Park feature.
Not so sure about that. If you're at a light, and you happen to let your hand rest on that just as the light turns green, do you suddenly find yourself sitting there in Park?

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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

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One of the articles I read talked about 'muscle memory'. Certain things we do over and over again we do automatically. With a turn signal, up is left and down is right. The lever doesn't go left and right.

..... In reality, we don't think about up being left every time we make a left. Our hand instinctively pushes a lever up for a left.

This is why shifting to and from sport mode is not initially instinctive. We are used to going in the opposite direction to reverse an action.

I'm looking forward to hearing from owners of the new Grands to see their reaction, in particular those that had 14 &15's

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While I totally agree with your theory, I have to ask what country you live in. In America, with left hand drive vehicles, a left turn signal actuation is completed by pivoting the signal lever DOWN, and a right turn is signaled by pivoting the lever UP. Nonetheless, as you say, it's an ingrained action, no matter what vehicle you drive, just like the accelerator is on the right and the brake to the left, the clutch, far left.

For the safe operation of some control functions, that is why the US government mandated certain things, like a uniform gear selection for automatic transmission shifters, P-R-N-D-L. And in that respect, the Jeep shifter even defies that, as the Jeep puts the "Sport" actuation in the position that is normally where you would expect to find "Low"......






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Not so sure about that. If you're at a light, and you happen to let your hand rest on that just as the light turns green, do you suddenly find yourself sitting there in Park?




Good question, especially for someone (like myself) that frequently drives manual transmission equipped cars. Frequently, you rest your hand on the shifter, in preparation for the next gear change....
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Re: FCA Training Academy - Course #2016-wk-shift-33B

Course name: Electronic Shifter - Grand Cherokee

Dates: March-May 2016

Locations: 44 Major Cities, dates and times TBD

Description: 3-day training course covering all aspects of the operation of the Grand Cherokee electronic shifter.

Day 1: (8 hours*) Shifting from Park to Reverse
Day 2: (8 hours*) Shifting from Park to Drive
Day 3: (8 hours*) Shifting from Park to neutral, or from Drive to Neutral

*Includes 60-minute mid-day lunch break

Cost: No charge for owners of 2011-2016 model year Jeep Grand Cherokees (VIN required)

Enrollment: 1-800-FCA-Shift
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

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[Auburn Hills, MI, February 22, 2016]

Re: FCA Training Academy - Course #2016-wk-shift-33B

Course name: Electronic Shifter - Grand Cherokee

Dates: March-May 2016

Locations: 44 Major Cities, dates and times TBD

Description: 3-day training course covering all aspects of the operation of the Grand Cherokee electronic shifter.

Day 1: (8 hours*) Shifting from Park to Reverse
Day 2: (8 hours*) Shifting from Park to Drive
Day 3: (8 hours*) Shifting from Park to neutral, or from Drive to Neutral

*Includes 60-minute mid-day lunch break

Cost: No charge for owners of 2011-2016 model year Jeep Grand Cherokees (VIN required)

Enrollment: 1-800-FCA-Shift
ROTFLMAO!

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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

It's easy to put into reverse instead of park, especially when your really pissed off like this bloke. It's precisely what happens at the 5:34 mark.

https://youtu.be/CuTXUcoGdhw?t=5m32s
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

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I find the lever awkward, especially when going from drive to reverse. I could easily see how people could mistakenly select R instead of P.

Has anyone tried rocking the Jeep from D to R and back to D (several times) after getting stuck, I have and it was not easy getting back to R each time.
I have tried to rock it, it's extremely difficult.
When stuck in a rut on a trail my eyes are looking at the boulder 2" away from my door or making sure when I pop up over the rock I don't go 2" to far and head over the 100' cliff.
When rocking its all about timing the shifter with the momentum of the vehicle & the shifter needs to provide real time feed back to do this. I do not get this feedback with this shifter. I wonder if they actually tested this in any real world conditions. It's just frustrating!
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

14' owner here with no issues at all with the shifter. I can actually close my eyes and shift to the desired gear. Just come back from the auto show and saw in person the new shifter. Very cheap looking POS. I'm mad on all the cry babies that made FCA to change something fancy with something from the 90's. Also mad on FCA to not making it simple and keeping the old style shifter and just adding PARK button on the side like BMW and no more issues with going to park. Then you have only 3 choices R-N-D and even the 6yrs old should be fine with shifting.....
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

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It's easy to put into reverse instead of park, especially when your really pissed off like this bloke. It's precisely what happens at the 5:34 mark.

https://youtu.be/CuTXUcoGdhw?t=5m32s
I go back to this video whenever I need a laugh
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

LMAO... that old video making the rounds again? I 'spose so seeing that it's winter.
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

It is obviously a problem alot of good experienced drivers are having problems with this ,
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

OK, so let me add one more story to this thread which is being beaten to death, but some of us feel it's important.......some time ago stopped at town dump to unload garbage (in my '14 ) pushed it up into P while opening door, got out, walked to rear of car and opened back and removed garbage, then noticed my BACKUP lights were on.....needless to say I dropped garbage and ran back around to re-enter car and put it in park for real. Luckily the car was on a slight down slop which kept it from backing over me. Now I admit this is driver error, but I've been driving over 50 years, and have never, I repeat, never had an accident. So I'm not prone to doing stupid or careless things while driving. However, with this shifter, it's just too easy to screw up....shifting should be intuitive....in the jeep gc it isn't. I for one, would not be unhappy with a retro-fit for a new shifter.
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