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Old 02-09-2016, 08:57 AM
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Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

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NHTSA says a badly-designed automatic shifter is confusing drivers, causing them to exit a vehicle that's still in gear. 121 crashes and 30 injuries have been reported. The investigation involves 2014 and 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokees, 2012-2014 Dodge Chargers and 2012-2014 Chrysler 300s

The Detroit News reports that the NHTSA is conducting an engineering analysis on more than 856,000 Fiat Chrysler vehicles. The agency has received reports of 314 roll-away incidents, involving 121 crashes and 30 injuries, caused when drivers exited a vehicle after they thought they'd shifted into Park.

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NHTSA: People Can't Figure Out How to Shift Fiat Chryslers Into Park

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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

The Audi A8 uses a similar shifter, yet haven't heard anything about it???
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

Let's see if we can break the world's record for the number of GC shifter threads in one forum.
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

What's confusing about it?

You have: park, neutral, drive and reverse.
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What's confusing about it?

You have: park, neutral, drive and reverse.
The way it engages is what's confusing to a lot of people.
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

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I came across this article:

NHTSA says a badly-designed automatic shifter is confusing drivers, causing them to exit a vehicle that's still in gear.

Link to artitcle:
NHTSA: People Can't Figure Out How to Shift Fiat Chryslers Into Park
I'd say it's more along the lines of badly designed drivers...


Having said that, this does bring up a pet peeve I have with the transmission: It's an electronic shifter. So why does it bark at me when I try to turn the car off when it's not in park? Why wouldn't it just put itself in park when I hit the run button, then shut off?

While not something that happens often, I have had times where I've stopped somewhere expecting to pull away soon after, but end up sitting longer than I originally planned. When I stopped, I didn't bother to put it in park, but when I realize I'm not leaving right away, I might decide to turn the engine off. That's when I here "ding" and it tells me I'm not in Park. It's not that I don't know to put it in Park, it's that I forgot I didn't shift to Park when I thought I wasn't going to be sitting very long.

OK, instead of telling me to put it in Park, just do it and shut off. Why take the risk I might be one of those people that's going to hop out without checking things? I'm not, but the car doesn't know that...
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

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I'd say it's more along the lines of badly designed drivers...


Having said that, this does bring up a pet peeve I have with the transmission: It's an electronic shifter. So why does it bark at me when I try to turn the car off when it's not in park? Why wouldn't it just put itself in park when I hit the run button, then shut off?

While not something that happens often, I have had times where I've stopped somewhere expecting to pull away soon after, but end up sitting longer than I originally planned. When I stopped, I didn't bother to put it in park, but when I realize I'm not leaving right away, I might decide to turn the engine off. That's when I here "ding" and it tells me I'm not in Park.

OK, instead of telling me to put it in Park, just do it and shut off. Why take the risk I might be one of those people that's going to hop out without checking things? I'm not, but the car doesn't know that...
Interestingly if something came of this investigation, wouldn't that be a potential fix as it could be done w/ a SW only update? Cheapest fix for them...
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

There could be some more safety features built in to prevent Darwin awards. If you open driver's door while car is running, force it into park. If you hit the run button while car is sitting still, force it into park.

At the end of the day, it is just people being idiots though. They aren't paying attention. They push the lever forward and maybe let off too soon and car is actually in reverse. Not paying attention, probably yacking on their cell phone, so they don't hear the Start Button beeping to alert them and then they just rush out of the car. We won't even get into not using the parking brake.

I can admit to having done the above on occasion.

Everything has to be dumbed down to lowest common denominator.
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The Audi A8 uses a similar shifter, yet haven't heard anything about it???
I read that MB and BMW also use it. No apparent investigation on them. Is it that some GC owners are just dumber?
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Re: Preliminary investigation into just over 400,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees

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I read that MB and Audi also use it. No apparent investigation on them. Is it that some GC owners are just dumber?
Was thinking the same thing, LOL
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I read that MB and Audi also use it. No apparent investigation on them. Is it that some GC owners are just dumber?
Maybe it's all those Fiat customers they acquired?

I mean seriously, why would any intelligent person want a Fiat?
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I read that MB and Audi also use it. No apparent investigation on them. Is it that some GC owners are just dumber?
Can unfamiliarity with a shifter-gear lever cause a tragedy? - Consumer Reports
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