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Re: Quadra-Drive II vs Quadra-Track II

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None of the adjusters I worked with used winter tires.
So you don't believe Winter tires are necessary in the Winter, is that what you're saying? It's certainly what you are implying.

Very foolish, IMHO. Though you are speaking of a very specific group of people. A group that drives a LOT of miles. Never been an insurance adjuster, but I'd bet most if that driving takes place AFTER the roads are cleared. That might make winter tires a little less practical than for your average Joe. 50% less practical in fact

To the point - QD vs QT. Good tires on either will get you through! I can't see that they are that much different in practical use. Just get the right tires for the purpose.

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Re: Quadra-Drive II vs Quadra-Track II

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I'm not sure what that has to do with my initial question, but thanks for your input.
Sorry. Didn't mean to appear rude.
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Re: Quadra-Drive II vs Quadra-Track II

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So you don't believe Winter tires are necessary in the Winter, is that what you're saying? It's certainly what you are implying.
I believe they are as important as synthetic oil. But, everybody needs to do what they think is best for them.


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Re: Quadra-Drive II vs Quadra-Track II

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and why are we talking snow and ice driving which is only ... One facet of the original discussion / question.

Probably because it is a big part of the original discussion.
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Re: Quadra-Drive II vs Quadra-Track II

I have QT2 and love it. I grew up on old school manual locking hubs and dedicated lever on the floor to select 4hi or lo. The QT2 working great. You just have to have faith in the electronics to sort itself out initially. A bit of noise comes out of as it figures out where the traction is needed and traction control interferes. No traction control or stability control growing up.

As for this winter tire debate: would you take an all season tire on a race track? Nope you would want the proper tire for the job. The all season would get you around it fine but you wouldn't be doing your car justice. Same with winter driving, Europeans swear by this as well, you should have the right tire for the conditions. I use dedicated winter tires on the jeep and it's solid in the snow whether using snow mode or not. I have used them on all my vehicles. Summer tires for summer. Winter tire for winter. All seasons do all the seasons ok but none of them well. As a police officer I can attest to going to winter accidents and either seeing red necks upside down in their trucks because they are idiots or people traveling with tires not fit for the conditions.


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Re: Quadra-Drive II vs Quadra-Track II

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I have QT2 and love it. I grew up on old school manual locking hubs and dedicated lever on the floor to select 4hi or lo. The QT2 working great. You just have to have faith in the electronics to sort itself out initially. A bit of noise comes out of as it figures out where the traction is needed and traction control interferes. No traction control or stability control growing up.

As for this winter tire debate: would you take an all season tire on a race track? Nope you would want the proper tire for the job. The all season would get you around it fine but you wouldn't be doing your car justice. Same with winter driving, Europeans swear by this as well, you should have the right tire for the conditions. I use dedicated winter tires on the jeep and it's solid in the snow whether using snow mode or not. I have used them on all my vehicles. Summer tires for summer. Winter tire for winter. All seasons do all the seasons ok but none of them well. As a police officer I can attest to going to winter accidents and either seeing red necks upside down in their trucks because they are idiots or people traveling with tires not fit for the conditions.


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Been there, done all of the above.

Two things...

I don't hear or feel any part of my traction control system kicking in. That's maybe because my driving skills on snow/ice are a little better than most people. But yes, it's an aid for those who lack the skill.

The accidents I've worked, I'd agree with you for the most part. What I've noticed about tires is not so much whether they're snow tires or all season tires... it's how much tread is left on them. Most should've been replaced in anticipation of the first snowfall.

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Re: Quadra-Drive II vs Quadra-Track II

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Been there, done all of the above.

Two things...

I don't hear or feel any part of my traction control system kicking in. That's maybe because my driving skills on snow/ice are a little better than most people. But yes, it's an aid for those who lack the skill.

The accidents I've worked, I'd agree with you for the most part. What I've noticed about tires is not so much whether they're snow tires or all season tires... it's how much tread is left on them. Most should've been replaced in anticipation of the first snowfall.


Your certainly right. Bald winter tires don't do you any good either lol


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Re: Quadra-Drive II vs Quadra-Track II

I absolutely agree that the human behind the wheel is the most critical factor in navigating anything, including nasty winter weather! That said, having a vehicle system that "optimizes" vehicle/drivetrain performance for certain conditions (snow, for example) is a good thing, IMHO. QT/QD brings that to bear and it's a major benefit of owning a JGC.

And folks most certainly should consider what tires they use based on what kind of weather they are likely going to have to navigate. For me, the need for a true winter/snow tire isn't very much on my radar given where I live and historical winter conditions. But if I lived where I grew up a few hours farther north and higher elevation...I'd be doing winter/snow tires.
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Re: Quadra-Drive II vs Quadra-Track II

As far as "using the system as a crutch", the system IS a crutch, and it's meant to be used. That's why we have them. That doesn't mean you shouldn't drive intelligently, but you should be doing that with or without the system, in any condition.

The key point with these systems, though, is that you don't know how much support they're giving you until you overwhelm them, they fail (and fall back in to "simple car mode"), or you hop in to another car expecting the system to be there.

I don't know much about Vipers, but I assume any modern performance car has selectable traction control on it. Yet I saw some yahoo almost lose it as he's fishtailing his Viper in a left turn trying to make a late yellow.

Now maybe Vipers don't have TC. Maybe this guy had it turned off "because real men don't use TC", or maybe the fuse blew -- who knows. Or maybe even TC can't keep a Viper planted. I don't know.

But I do know that seeing someone doing that on the street is disturbing, and the driver was acting irresponsibly (even if unconsciously). TC may let him act irresponsibly, and maybe it let him down then. Hopefully he was a surprised as I was and learned something from it before someone gets hurt.

I don't want to get my truck stuck, I don't expect to take it places to get stuck.

I don't want to roll my truck in an emergency maneuver, but emergencies happen, and I'm grateful we have systems to help manage them.

I'm don't want to hit anything, and I'm going to be conscientious with my braking, but don't think I'm not burying that pedal through the floorboards to convince my ABS system to give it all it's got when I have too. That's what those systems are for.

We can try and be cognizant of our situations, try and be alert and pro-active in managing bad situations. But these systems feel things we don't, react faster than we can, and provide a better operation experience overall than if we didn't have them. If we're 100%, then maybe we need them less. But humans are not 100%, not all the time, not today. And the vehicles are too good, and too common, and too casual to the drivers that these systems, crutches that they are, are a boon to vehicle and passenger safety.
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If you do a lot of off road driving, the QD is better, but for general use, the average person probably can't tell the difference, so you should be fine with the QT.
As far as snow tires, it is a personal preference. I live in Minnesota, and had my Jeep out in storms with 15+" of snow this past winter with stock tires, and had no problems. I NEVER get snow tires, and have not had problems. It is usually the driver, and not the tires that have the problem in snow. If it makes you feel better, get snow tires, but to seasoned winter drivers, the stock tires that come with your Jeep work just fine.
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Re: Quadra-Drive II vs Quadra-Track II

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As far as "using the system as a crutch", the system IS a crutch, and it's meant to be used. That's why we have them. That doesn't mean you shouldn't drive intelligently, but you should be doing that with or without the system, in any condition.

The key point with these systems, though, is that you don't know how much support they're giving you until you overwhelm them, they fail (and fall back in to "simple car mode"), or you hop in to another car expecting the system to be there.

I don't know much about Vipers, but I assume any modern performance car has selectable traction control on it. Yet I saw some yahoo almost lose it as he's fishtailing his Viper in a left turn trying to make a late yellow.

Now maybe Vipers don't have TC. Maybe this guy had it turned off "because real men don't use TC", or maybe the fuse blew -- who knows. Or maybe even TC can't keep a Viper planted. I don't know.

But I do know that seeing someone doing that on the street is disturbing, and the driver was acting irresponsibly (even if unconsciously). TC may let him act irresponsibly, and maybe it let him down then. Hopefully he was a surprised as I was and learned something from it before someone gets hurt.

I don't want to get my truck stuck, I don't expect to take it places to get stuck.

I don't want to roll my truck in an emergency maneuver, but emergencies happen, and I'm grateful we have systems to help manage them.

I'm don't want to hit anything, and I'm going to be conscientious with my braking, but don't think I'm not burying that pedal through the floorboards to convince my ABS system to give it all it's got when I have too. That's what those systems are for.

We can try and be cognizant of our situations, try and be alert and pro-active in managing bad situations. But these systems feel things we don't, react faster than we can, and provide a better operation experience overall than if we didn't have them. If we're 100%, then maybe we need them less. But humans are not 100%, not all the time, not today. And the vehicles are too good, and too common, and too casual to the drivers that these systems, crutches that they are, are a boon to vehicle and passenger safety.

What you're saying here are that these systems are an aid, not a crutch.
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