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Bump. Not one person with knowledge of the process is wiling to say what the QA/QC process is?
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Re: Quality Control Process

I just don't wanna get fired. Sorry. I talk too much on here as is.
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Bump. Not one person with knowledge of the process is wiling to say what the QA/QC process is?
kinda like the redneck comedian "Here's your sign!"
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I just don't wanna get fired. Sorry. I talk too much on here as is.
Trust me I understand protecting your job 100 percent. I'm just saying there are others here and I would think leaking info on future powertrain, features, etc is a bigger deal. I appreciate it all though so I understand if no one can comment on the QC process.
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Re: Quality Control Process

I think at this point we are the ones doing QC. The price and warranty reflect this. Nevertheless, I think that we are getting a good deal in value, so as long as they fix any issues we have, I am ok with it.
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Re: Quality Control Process

This is the very reason I'm going with the Lifetime Bumper-To-Bumper warrantee on mine when it comes in. I'm not taking any chances on a 1st year model change.
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I just don't wanna get fired. Sorry. I talk too much on here as is.
I am an ex-UAW worker. I did almost 6 years at Trenton Engine plant for Chrysler starting in 1998 and was transferred to Warren truck Assembly for a short time, so I can only comment on those 2 plants(but I'm sure the procedure does not differ much). I was at Trenton while we were being quality control trained. It was a joke. Whatever QS9000/ISO 9000 blah-blah bullshit quality control assurance certification those plants have was bought and paid for.

There is not enough time in a day for me to tell you all of the bullshit I saw happen, but here are 2 things that might shed light on the auto maker's "QC";

I saw engines being shipped as "finished and operational" with 2-3 extra sparkplugs just sitting on top of a piston, and yes, the heads are dropped on by a LIVE person(I did the damn job myself for 2 months), and there is NO way you wouldn't see that! But when you're taxed with building 1100 engines per shift, and your job is guaranteed by a union no matter how incompetent/inept you are, why bother doing it right?

Making a bad name for myslef for being a troublemaker... because I had the audacity to stop the line a few times when I did see quality issues. I was threatened by both union and management that if I screwed up the count again, I'd be out on the street on some trumped up charge.
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Re: Quality Control Process

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I am an ex-UAW worker. I did almost 6 years at Trenton Engine plant for Chrysler starting in 1998 and was transferred to Warren truck Assembly for a short time, so I can only comment on those 2 plants(but I'm sure the procedure does not differ much). I was at Trenton while we were being quality control trained. It was a joke. Whatever QS9000/ISO 9000 blah-blah bullshit quality control assurance certification those plants have was bought and paid for.

There is not enough time in a day for me to tell you all of the bullshit I saw happen, but here are 2 things that might shed light on the auto maker's "QC";

I saw engines being shipped as "finished and operational" with 2-3 extra sparkplugs just sitting on top of a piston, and yes, the heads are dropped on by a LIVE person(I did the damn job myself for 2 months), and there is NO way you wouldn't see that! But when you're taxed with building 1100 engines per shift, and your job is guaranteed by a union no matter how incompetent/inept you are, why bother doing it right?

Making a bad name for myslef for being a troublemaker... because I had the audacity to stop the line a few times when I did see quality issues. I was threatened by both union and management that if I screwed up the count again, I'd be out on the street on some trumped up charge.
It's not like that anymore.

All I'm gonna say. My cousin is at TNEP and I haven't heard of anything like that and nothing at JNAP either.
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Re: Quality Control Process

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I am an ex-UAW worker. I did almost 6 years at Trenton Engine plant for Chrysler starting in 1998 and was transferred to Warren truck Assembly for a short time, so I can only comment on those 2 plants(but I'm sure the procedure does not differ much). I was at Trenton while we were being quality control trained. It was a joke. Whatever QS9000/ISO 9000 blah-blah bullshit quality control assurance certification those plants have was bought and paid for.

There is not enough time in a day for me to tell you all of the bullshit I saw happen, but here are 2 things that might shed light on the auto maker's "QC";

I saw engines being shipped as "finished and operational" with 2-3 extra sparkplugs just sitting on top of a piston, and yes, the heads are dropped on by a LIVE person(I did the damn job myself for 2 months), and there is NO way you wouldn't see that! But when you're taxed with building 1100 engines per shift, and your job is guaranteed by a union no matter how incompetent/inept you are, why bother doing it right?

Making a bad name for myslef for being a troublemaker... because I had the audacity to stop the line a few times when I did see quality issues. I was threatened by both union and management that if I screwed up the count again, I'd be out on the street on some trumped up charge.
This is the kind of stuff we want to know

I don't completely understand what you are saying about spark plugs on top of a piston. Do you mean that there is foreign object in the cylinder but engine is still closed and will break as soon as it is turned on?

How long is the work shift?

Can you elaborate on union job protection? If you are several hours late every day you are still untouchable? What if you consistently have high level of defects in your work and don't give a shit?
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This is the kind of stuff we want to know

I don't completely understand what you are saying about spark plugs on top of a piston. Do you mean that there is foreign object in the cylinder but engine is still closed and will break as soon as it is turned on?

How long is the work shift?

Can you elaborate on union job protection? If you are several hours late every day you are still untouchable? What if you consistently have high level of defects in your work and don't give a shit?
Yes, a foreign object in the cylinder! I mean loose spark plugs sitting on top of a piston. How else can I put it? You remove the head and look down into the cylinder, and there you have a couple of loose spark plugs just sitting on top of the piston! Happened waaaay more than once! On engines supposedly cleared and installed in minivans! It happened so often the plant manager of the minivan assembly came to our plant to tear someone a new asshole!

Work shift length depends on how many are scheduled. 3 shifts split a day evenly in thirds, 8 hours to a shift. That's what was scheduled most of my career at Trenton Engine. If there are only 2 shifts, they are usually scheduled 8-10 hours. A reg. work day is 8 hours. Anything more is overtime. This is calculated daily, not weekly. Meaning, if you worked 10 hours on Monday, and not a single other day/hour all week, you'll get 8 hours straight pay, 2 hours OT

Ah... union job protection. What a fawking joke! Protecting their money you mean! They could care less what management does, but get involved real quick when it comes to your money, since their play money comes from your dues! Attendance might be the only sure fire way to get fired, but I doubt for long. The union wants your dues, so they'll get you hired back.

Union MEANS high levels of defect. I hear "union shop" I immediately think low quality work, lazy workers, and inflated wages translating to higher product costs.

You might get bounced off a job if you screw it up enough, but never fired.

now here is my disclaimer:
I believe workers need someone to help them stand up to a corrupt corporation, but your wages, raises and job advancement should be based on your merit. It should reflect the quality of your work and therefor your work ethic, not based on how much time you've been there. To be comfortable as a laborer(and not striving to better yourself or your environment) is something that should be discouraged, even punished, not rewarded with bloated paychecks.
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Yes, a foreign object in the cylinder! I mean loose spark plugs sitting on top of a piston. How else can I put it? You remove the head and look down into the cylinder, and there you have a couple of loose spark plugs just sitting on top of the piston!
OMG

I hoped I misunderstood you (I am not very technical about cars) but I didn't

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I believe workers need someone to help them stand up to a corrupt corporation, but your wages, raises and job advancement should be based on your merit. It should reflect the quality of your work and therefor your work ethic, not based on how much time you've been there. To be comfortable as a laborer(and not striving to better yourself or your environment) is something that should be discouraged, even punished, not rewarded with bloated paychecks.
I completely agree with this.
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Re: Quality Control Process

I personally know someone who missed something on 17 vehicles in one day.

They no longer have a job.

UAW/Employee/Company relationship is no longer what it used to be. I have plenty of autoworkers in my family, I'm one too.... and I don't see any of this stuff. Heck, I remember a day when I used to hear stories about management being "afraid" of the Union People. Now? They have lunch together.

Oh and by the way

OT is calculated as over 40 hours per week, time and a half.

NOT Over 8 hours, time and a half.

Things have seriously changed since 1998 dude.
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