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Re: Qudra lift air suspension...?

why buy a car fully featured and optioned and then worry and want to turn all the luxury features off. you americans sure have a unique way of thinking lol maybe you purchased the wrong vehicle and a kia might have been more suiting.

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why buy a car fully featured and optioned and then worry and want to turn all the luxury features off. you americans sure have a unique way of thinking lol maybe you purchased the wrong vehicle and a kia might have been more suiting.
Do you generally enjoy your job but dislike one annoying aspect? Maybe you chose the wrong career and a job manually shoveling sewage might have been more suiting. Herp derp.

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I think he means for the diesel. you cant get the maxcare lifetime on the diesel only on the GC v6 and v8s.
Correct. I don't believe it's available in Canada for any vehicle, either.
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Re: Qudra lift air suspension...?

you cant be serious so your saying you work a job because you have to taking the good with the bad? so you buy the wrong vehicle because you have to taking also the good with the bad but paying shitloads more for features that you really dont want turned on? sorry but its just not the same. like i said funny way of thinking..

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Do you generally enjoy your job but dislike one annoying aspect? Maybe you chose the wrong career and a job manually shoveling sewage might have been more suiting. Herp derp.



Correct. I don't believe it's available in Canada for any vehicle, either.
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sorry but its just not the same.
I guess you prefer sewage shoveling to pragmatically taking the good along with what you dislike. Call me when vehicle options are available ala carte. Because, you know, they aren't.

I wanted a diesel SUV with a nice interior, adaptive cruise control, steering directed HID headlights, QuadraDrive II, and many of the other features found on the Summit. I wasn't sold on the idea of the air suspension.

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Hurr durr, should have bought a Kia instead.
I can either get everything I want while having to accept a few things I dislike, or instead I can choose to get *nothing* of what I want and just a bunch of things I dislike. Are you 12?
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Re: Qudra lift air suspension...?

no mate just a realist and non complainer obviously enjoying the finer things in life including a car that rides like the clouds. btw i do run a mechanical workshop and work with air suspensions daily and have been for countless years, maintained correctly and not stressing that parts are going to wear out if they are used will give you a heart attack...
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btw i do run a mechanical workshop and work with air suspensions daily and have been for countless years, maintained correctly and not stressing that parts are going to wear out if they are used will give you a heart attack...
So... based on your expert opinion you're asserting that QuadraLift isn't prone to ungraceful failure modes and won't be an expensive albatross on a 15 year old WK2 that's out of warranty/service contract? Because I kept my last vehicle until it was 15; if I do that again, this Jeep will have been out of warranty/service contract for at least 7 years.

The air suspension seems like a weak link and when this air suspension loses pressure/control then its failure mode is rather severe compared to a normal shock or strut going out. But hey, if it costs $200 to repair broken QL when it's out of warranty then I won't stress about it wearing out a decade from now. However, I just don't see that happening.
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Re: Qudra lift air suspension...?

Mate nothing lasts forever my point is theres more important things in life to be worrying about. We now live in a throw away society everything is built at a price for the current market, technology is forever improving who knows what the fix maybe in years to come. In the 90s rangerover had air suspension it sure had its problems then but it is still around today, some changed it out some have kept it. Lighten up use the great features your car has and worry about it when the need arrises if ever that may be.
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Mate nothing lasts forever my point is theres more important things in life to be worrying about. We now live in a throw away society everything is built at a price for the current market, technology is forever improving who knows what the fix maybe in years to come. In the 90s rangerover had air suspension it sure had its problems then but it is still around today, some changed it out some have kept it. Lighten up use the great features your car has and worry about it when the need arrises if ever that may be.
Some folks prefer to sit on the sideline worrying about all the what ifs. Some like to jump in with a devil may care attitude. Most are somewhere in between.

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But never lose sight of the fact that if the dog didn't stop to take a crap, he would have caught the rabbit.
I think I see what you're saying with your metaphor: if QuadraLift weren't constantly squatting it probably wouldn't crap out. I'll remember that during future repairs or retrofitting, heh.
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So... based on your expert opinion you're asserting that QuadraLift isn't prone to ungraceful failure modes and won't be an expensive albatross on a 15 year old WK2 that's out of warranty/service contract? Because I kept my last vehicle until it was 15; if I do that again, this Jeep will have been out of warranty/service contract for at least 7 years.

The air suspension seems like a weak link and when this air suspension loses pressure/control then its failure mode is rather severe compared to a normal shock or strut going out. But hey, if it costs $200 to repair broken QL when it's out of warranty then I won't stress about it wearing out a decade from now. However, I just don't see that happening.
Worst case go price the 4 airbag struts and the compressor. then get a quote on install time per strut.

That would give you a ball park of what repair costs would be.

I have an Overland with the QL on order, but I got the maxcare.


Anyone on here a .pdf parts manual on t he WK2, if so could look up the part #'s and price it out on the online mopar stores
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How difficult is it to retrofit a standard suspension once QL fails after the service contract/warranty expiration?

Surprisingly, it's not horribly difficult to do. The front QL struts can easily be swapped for the coilovers found on the non-QL GCs. The rear air springs can likewise be swapped for standard springs.

The difficulty would lie in finding/using the right springs. Several models are QL-only...such as the 4x4 Overland and Summit. Weight differences and such might make matching a standard coil spring an interesting exercise.

Now me...well...I'm in the process of swapping my standard air suspension parts (SDA-normal duty) for "sport" air suspension parts (SDE). Since Jeep doesn't seem to sell a model that uses these parts (at least that I can find) but does MAKE them (as I have them) this might be a weird experiment...
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Re: Qudra lift air suspension...?

Our first 14 overland ( earlie build november 2013) eventually was a buy back from Chrysler due to issues from hour one of owning it. Yup within the first hour I had a error for the air suspension. Many more issues followed and not all the same or connected. Fast forward to July of 2014 when we got a new late build (built in June 2014). Now to present date there is 15,000 miles on it and no major problems. The air system has worked flawlessly. For us the air suspension works great. We at times get slot of snow here in WI and we live in the country and my wife who primarily drives the jeep travels into the twin cities for work. We do not get plowed out until late late day or more like the next day. Without the ability to lift the vehicle and the advanced 4x4 system of the jeep this would be dificult to leave home. Our neighbor has a limited without air and has gotten stuck in the deep snow pretty much built up under it. The air suspension is nice as you get a couple more inches of clearance. This vehicle is the best winter driving vehicle I have ever owed. I have yet to get stuck and can drive around large trucks and other suv's with ease.

Pulled out 5 vehicles near and in my neighborhood during a huge snow storm. Even a lifted 2500 with some good tires. Very happy with this vehicle.
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