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Re: Question about switching from 20" to 18" for the winter

I am not getting involved in the tire question (I have no personal experience with either Nokian or Blizzaks), but for the record winter tire studs are not legal in [edit: southern] Ontario. They tires worked fine back when they were legal here, but the government did not want to pay for the road repairs where studded tires were spun in the winter.
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Re: Question about switching from 20" to 18" for the winter

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I am not getting involved in the tire question (I have no personal experience with either Nokian or Blizzaks), but for the record winter tire studs are not legal in Ontario. They tires worked fine back when they were legal here, but the government did not want to pay for the road repairs where studded tires were spun in the winter.
Thats not entirely true.

I'm not from Canada but I think studded tires are legal there only in northern regions between Oct. 1st and April 30th. Northern Ontario residents can use studded tires anywhere in Ontario during the permitted time frame.

http://www.ehow.com/list_6812146_can...ded-tires.html
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Re: Question about switching from 20" to 18" for the winter

^I ran the Nokian Hakkapelittas on an Audi A6 for many deep snow seasons in the Rockies and loved them. Didn't know they came in a SUV version.
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Re: Question about switching from 20" to 18" for the winter

Re: Tire size - I will most definetly be getting 18" winter tires for my GC.
My Pacifica had 19" summer tires/rims, and I was advised to step down to 17" for the winter. Worked out perfect.
I got Pirelli Scorpion Ice & snow, and have been pleased with them.
On my previous vehicle - a AWD Grand caravan, i had Blizzaks, and that combination was awesome.

Re; Wheels. I really like those 18" Black rims in the pics (page 1 & 2) however I would still be afraid to run them in our Ontario winters.
After the 3rd winter, they would be a mess from the amount of salt and crud they dump on our roads.
Thats why I'll probably go for the plain steel wheels - something I don't care what the salt does to them.

Re: Studs. Right about North versus Southern Ontario.
As a kid I remember that studs used to be allowed in Southern Ontario. Not anymore.

I was in Kelowna, BC last week, visiting with a friend and he already has his studded winter tires on his car.
I asked him why the studs, and he explained that he heads up to Big White and a couple of other ski resorts, and if you don't have studded tires, you can be in trouble.
He wasn't alone - I just had to roll the window down, and listen as many other residents of the town already had their studded tires on.
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Re: Question about switching from 20" to 18" for the winter

Nokian tires are great in the winter. I have used them for years. However, the quality control is not great, I have had many that have been so "off" that the required huge weights to balance.

Also, Nokian makes most of there tires in Russia and China now. No thank you!
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Re: Question about switching from 20" to 18" for the winter

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Nokian tires are great in the winter. I have used them for years. However, the quality control is not great, I have had many that have been so "off" that the required huge weights to balance.

Also, Nokian makes most of there tires in Russia and China now. No thank you!

I've never had that problem running three different four wheels sets of Nokians over the years. Next time you might want to try and have them road forced balanced using balancing equipment made by Hunter. Every OEM dealer by me now uses these machines to balance wheels and tires.

The proceedure finds the high spot on the wheel then the tire and when done by a qualified tech. very little wheel weights are required to balance a wheel/tire assembly. I've had some wheel/tire assemblys use less than a 1/4oz of weight to balance, some have used no weight at all!

Nokian manufactures most of their tires in factories in Nokia Finland, and Vsevolozhsk, Russsia.
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Re: Question about switching from 20" to 18" for the winter

For the USA market, most Nokian tires are now from Russia and China, and are overpriced since they charge more than Michelin but are manufactured in low labor cost countries.

Michelin, Dunlop, Continetal, Bridgestone, General and Goodyear all make very good winter tires. For 265 50 18 your choices are Goodyear and Bridgestone.
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Re: Question about switching from 20" to 18" for the winter

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For the USA market, most Nokian tires are now from Russia and China, and are overpriced since they charge more than Michelin but are manufactured in low labor cost countries.

Michelin, Dunlop, Continetal, Bridgestone, General and Goodyear all make very good winter tires. For 265 50 18 your choices are Goodyear and Bridgestone.
The absolute best winter SUV tire in the 265/60/R18 size in a Nokian tire. I provided links above the for Snowflak on the Mountain rated winter tires in that size. If you feel they are overpriced or not manufactured in a country you approve of..... well hey take your business somewhere else!

You will find most consumer products, including tires are manufactured in low labor cost countries. Thats the way the world works today, weather your buying tires or most everything else. I'm not really sure why that matters to you, but hey it's your Jeep and your money.... Whatever makes you happy bud!
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Re: Question about switching from 20" to 18" for the winter

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I have 18" Blizzaks for the winter. I bought the package from Tire Rack, wheels, tires, sensors all Road Force ballanced. The 18" tires take 33 psi compared to the 20's at 36 psi.
I find the Blizzaks less compliant than the Forteras but of course with far better grip in the cold.

Here are some photos:

#1 Standard 20" Forteras:



#2 Blizzaks on 18" alloys with TPMS sensors and metal valve stems:



#3



#4 View of offset:

Too funny, I have that identical setup out in my garage right now just waiting for winter to get her so I can mount them on my jeep. Glad to see how good they look, not bad for a winter set.
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Re: Question about switching from 20" to 18" for the winter

Raptor,

You are pretty passionate about Nokian tires. Are you a dealer?

I wasted a lot of time and money with Nokian tires last year that would not balance. 2 sets of the same tires bought at Discount Tire whom I never had trouble with and they did use a Hunter Road Force machine to balance the tires. Those tires were made in Russia, and the all season options which I did not buy were made in China. The size were relatively small 16" for my VW Golf.

I have taken my business elsewhere, and if you feel that the Nokian tires are a good value and you want to pay more for something that is made in Russia or China than something made in Germany or the USA, then please go ahead and do so, that is your right.
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Raptor,

You are pretty passionate about Nokian tires. Are you a dealer?

I wasted a lot of time and money with Nokian tires last year that would not balance. 2 sets of the same tires bought at Discount Tire whom I never had trouble with and they did use a Hunter Road Force machine to balance the tires. Those tires were made in Russia, and the all season options which I did not buy were made in China. The size were relatively small 16" for my VW Golf.

I have taken my business elsewhere, and if you feel that the Nokian tires are a good value and you want to pay more for something that is made in Russia or China than something made in Germany or the USA, then please go ahead and do so, that is your right.

No, not a dealer, just a very satisfied Nokian winter tire customer.

Bought all of them at this wholesaler, K&M Tire in Hickory NC. (Best Pricing I could find at the time)

Three sets on three cars, two Grand Cherokees. Never an issue or problem.
Excellent snow and ice performance! Two sets were all season SUV winter rated Nokians, the ones you claim were made in China, but the manufacturing stamps on my sidewalls clearly indicated they were made in Finland.

Whatever bud, you can mount any tire you want on your vehicles!
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