Originally Posted by Snipe315
Attention to Detail and Quality Control are not trade offs. You seem to be saying that the JGC wasn't designed with tight tolerances. I'm pretty sure it was.
That's the key. We are all making assumptions, but we are not in the loop.
The design, the parts and the assembly all contribute to the end result.
A given part is going to have a specified range of tolerances. From the engineering perspective, a gap that might be caused by one part being at the far range of one tolerance, but still inside that tolerance, but put next to another piece at the opposite, but still in spec piece might be noticeable, but _by definition_, it is still in spec.
We don't know what these specs are however. So we don't know if what we are looking at are the result of out of spec part(s), incorrect assembly, or if it is within the design specifications.
The design will contribute to how easily the parts can be correctly aligned.
To get tighter tolerances, you need (typically) to spend more money. Tighter tolerances on parts and more time spent to ensure they are assembled to a given tolerance.
Originally Posted by Snipe315
"This Price Range"?!?
The 2014 JGC Summit edition can run over $50,000 or even $60,000 (MSRP)! At what "price range
" should a person be able to expect good Quality Control & Attention to Detail?!?
That's a great question. How much will you pay for a functional vehicle that simply has better cosmetics?
As I asserted, the JGC is built to perform reasonably well off road and that implies more than just design, but also different and more expensive components.
If I stated that the Ford Explorer was just as "good" as the JGC, people would be quick to jump all over me.
Don't get me wrong, the JGC is expensive. But IMO it's expensive because of both the mechanicals *and* the new *features* intended to increase it's market penetration, notably all the luxury oriented tidbits.
The Range Rover "Sport" starts at over $63k. I have no idea how the fit and finish is, but we at least know it attempts to maintain off-road capability. The Range Rover proper starts at $84K.
Other than that, it's hard to compare apples to apples since most SUVs don't really attempt to maintain any sort of off-road capability.
All this isn't to say that I don't think we should expect good quality control, good fit and finish.
But it's hard to say what falls into "meets the specs but this customer finds unacceptable", vs "doesn't meet the specs" and what the real frequency where the product does not meet the specs is.
And we should point out, we're talking about (for the most part) trim pieces and panel alignment here. Not "my wheel fell off and I crashed and died". Upcoming recall, excepted. :-)
When we find egregious problems, we should make them fix it or not accept it.
But it's a complex topic, and I can tell you that if my Jeep were $5k more expensive, I probably wouldn't have purchased it, regardless how perfectly aligned the trim was. Likewise, I wouldn't buy a Ford Explorer even it had zuper-duper-lux and perfectly aligned trim AND was $5k cheaper.
As usual, YMMV.