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Re: Remote Start can kill?

Don't understand why anyone would even use the remote start if the car is garaged. Just a waste of gas. It's supposed to be used if your vehicle is left outside overnight and is real cold.
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Don't understand why anyone would even use the remote start if the car is garaged. Just a waste of gas. It's supposed to be used if your vehicle is left outside overnight and is real cold.
The thermometer in our detached drafty garage shows temperature within a few degrees of outside, so remote start can be useful under the right conditions.
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Don't understand why anyone would even use the remote start if the car is garaged. Just a waste of gas. It's supposed to be used if your vehicle is left outside overnight and is real cold.

good way to fumigate all the roaches
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The thermometer in our detached drafty garage shows temperature within a few degrees of outside, so remote start can be useful under the right conditions.

Sounds like it's time for some insulation.
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:51 AM
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Re: Remote Start can kill?

I am sure we are all trying to be aware of safety around our houses at all times. However diversions to our attention do occur. A close friend lost both parents and a grandparent due to CO in their home in NJ over 20 years ago. Her parents pulled the Honda Accord into the garage and were concerned about getting the frail grandmother safetly into the house and left the Honda running. Hondas are very quite idling, too quiet.
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Fortunately the WK2 remote start turns off after 15 minutes (I hope).

To all the haters who dismissed as nutty the dangers of CO poisoning...
(see: http://jeepgarage.org/showthread.php...837#post366837 ) it can happen. More people probably die of CO then get backed over by vehicles (reference to NHTSA proposal to require back-up cameras).

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/pal...,5998182.story

"Car with keyless ignition might have been left running at West Boca home, killing a couple with carbon monoxide"
I don't think you're nutty, but I believe you may have misinterpreted the news article about this sad event. Nowhere in the article do I see any reference to a remote starter being the culprit. What it does say is that at least one of the vehicles had a keyless ignition. There is a distinction. Cars with keyless ignitions do not necessarily have remote starters, and remote starters do not necessarily require that the car in question have a keyless ignition.

To put this in perspective, the GC's remote starter has a 15-minute time out (a federal mandate, I believe). It would take an exceptional set of circumstances for a GC to cause death by CO poisoning in the manner you suggest; maybe someone with a greater understanding of exhaust emissions and forensic pathology could lay out the formula, but I've only ever heard of these types of deaths occurring after prolonged exposure to high concentrations of CO. There are, of course, many variables: How much air infiltration does the house have? Is the garage airtight? Is there a common HVAC system servicing the garage (Building code violation in most places)? What is the CO output of the vehicle in question? How long does it have to be running?

I've never heard of a remote starter causing a CO death. What I have heard of are numerous instances of vehicles that have been started (both keyless and, notably, key-operated ignitions) in the car, in anticipation of departing the home, then left running for extended periods of time. CO, being odorless, then goes undetected, causing drowsiness, unconsciousness and, ultimately, death. But, notably, this is something that's been occurring for decades, long before keyless ignitions became a popular feature. Perhaps the keyless aspect makes it more likely that one will forget that a vehicle is running, but it's certainly not a necessary precursor.

If it makes someone feel better to disable their remote starter, they should by all means do so. But, I'd submit that they're doing something that, as a practical matter, has no impact on the likelihood of CO poisoning. What I would be concerned about is this: That, having disabled the remote starter, the person believes that the potential for CO poisoning has been eliminated.

That is, most assuredly, not the case. Cars can be left running, furnaces can malfunction, and other CO dangers will persist. Apart from the normal cautions in operating and maintaining these things, the best thing you can do to ensure your safety and the safety of others in your home is to ensure that you have an operable CO detector on each level.
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^^^ Yep - I noted in my first post that the automatic turn off should 99.9999% reduce the WK2 from causing a serious problem. Also, the WK2 can be started twice in a row but then the remote start won't start the car...two turn on limit until it is started again from the inside.
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Has anyone noticed the direct correlation between the apparent intelligence of society vs. the number of safety features and warnings the government tries to enact? I kind of liked when Darwin was allowed to prevail...
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Has anyone noticed the direct correlation between the apparent intelligence of society vs. the number of safety features and warnings the government tries to enact? I kind of liked when Darwin was allowed to prevail...
Trust me...as a loyal Republican with a libertarian bent, I agree on the nonsensical government intrusions. However, your post is more than a tad insensitive given AAAA's post #29 above.
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Trust me...as a loyal Republican with a libertarian bent, I agree on the nonsensical government intrusions. However, your post is more than a tad insensitive given AAAA's post #29 above.
There's actually an interesting area of psychological study focused on the idea of "risk compensation," the idea that individuals adjust their behavior based on their perception of a change in the risk of an activity. I've ridden motorcycles forever and have always worn a helmet. However, there's a fair amount of statistical evidence that despite the clear protective capabilities of a good helmet, those who wear them die at about the same rate as motorcyclists who don't. The "risk compensation" explanation of this is that those of us who ride with helmets perceive we're somewhat more invulnerable and take greater risks, bringing our fatality rate back to the same level as we'd experience if we were helmetless . . . and, presumably, more careful.

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Trust me...as a loyal Republican with a libertarian bent, I agree on the nonsensical government intrusions. However, your post is more than a tad insensitive given AAAA's post #29 above.
I regrettably disagree...Honda's still are quiet and no auto shut-off feature has been added.
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Re: Remote Start can kill?

Nowhere in that article states that it was PROVEN that the vehicle in the garage was the culprit of the CO. "Authorities suspect" and "That invisible, odorless gas likely killed" is all it says.
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