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Old 03-06-2012, 08:36 PM
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Re: Remote Start can kill?

My comment was not about remote start. It was in reference to the danger of CO. The drivers we preoccupied with moving a frail grandmother into the house. They did not hear the Accord idling in the garage and forgot to turn it off. Now that I think more about it, I doubt that I could hear our Jeep or Volvo if they were idling in our garage.
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Has anyone noticed the direct correlation between the apparent intelligence of society vs. the number of safety features and warnings the government tries to enact? I kind of liked when Darwin was allowed to prevail...
As a free market anarcho-capitalist, I'm strongly against the government mandating that companies enact safety features. But I think to not implement common-sense safety features and leave everything to "Darwin" is just plain silly. And I guarantee you you would not be saying what you said if a loved one died in an unfortunate accident that could likely have been avoided if certain safety features existed.

Again -- we're all human, we all make mistakes, no matter how "intelligent" we are. Even the smartest, most careful person will have his lapses in judgement, times of forgetfulness, and what have you. So these people should have to pay with their lives? Come on now.

Remember too that the same safety features that might prevent a truly dumb, reckless person from dying (i.e., a drunk driver crashing into a tree), might also prevent a not so dumb, not so reckless person from dying in a legitimate accident, and so as long as the effect is a net decrease in these sort of accidents, and the features are voluntarily put in place, I think the existence of the safety features should be celebrated.

Finally -- the safety features might prevent not only the person who had a lapse in judgement/whatever from dying unnecessarily, but also any other "innocent" parties involved, such as friends, family, children, etc.

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Old 03-07-2012, 12:17 AM
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There's actually an interesting area of psychological study focused on the idea of "risk compensation," the idea that individuals adjust their behavior based on their perception of a change in the risk of an activity. I've ridden motorcycles forever and have always worn a helmet. However, there's a fair amount of statistical evidence that despite the clear protective capabilities of a good helmet, those who wear them die at about the same rate as motorcyclists who don't. The "risk compensation" explanation of this is that those of us who ride with helmets perceive we're somewhat more invulnerable and take greater risks, bringing our fatality rate back to the same level as we'd experience if we were helmetless . . . and, presumably, more careful.

The funniest warning label I can recall was on a compressed wood fireplace log; it read "Caution--Risk of Fire."
Similarly in football, players are more reckless and fearless with helmets then without...makes for better watching but the results have been a huge increase in concussions. The helmet protects the head but not the brain so much. I suspect helmet technology is going to change...a lot. The Dave Duerson thing...somehow either helmets are gonna get less protective to prevent brain injuries of more protective...one way or the other, they are gonna change the sport. Stay tuned.

As an aside, government is one thing, strict liability in products liability law dictates a lot. Basically, it means if you produce a product the manufacturer/designer has a responsibility to make it the safest that that product can reasonably be. From a "law and economics" perspective....although the cases sometimes make for silly headlines...it is the most economical way. That is, the manufacturer/designer is in the best position to reduce injuries (and the costs related to them). By holding them responsible, they have small upfront costs that save a ton of money (less overall economic waste). Such as putting a safety shut off on lawn mowers has saved a ton of horrific injuries especially to teenagers who operate walk behind mowers. Add $5 to a mower will save costs many many times that.
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Has anyone noticed the direct correlation between the apparent intelligence of society vs. the number of safety features and warnings the government tries to enact? I kind of liked when Darwin was allowed to prevail...
+1

Right now I'm looking at my allergy pill box, on the back were it has "Warnings" its states, and keep in mind, I'm not making this up, "DO NOT USE: If you have ever had an allergic reaction to this product or any of its ingredients"

I'm allergic to peanuts..... if I eat one, I might die. I found out about this when I was a kid and ate a PB&J sandwich. I thought to myself, hmm, I had bread and didn't die from it before, I had jelly and didn't die..... what could be the cause of my allergic reaction

I downloaded a manual for an old firearm that I own..... the book was maybe 2-3 pages long. New firearms come with a 8-9 page book that have more warnings and red lettering then I know what to do with it.
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Re: Remote Start can kill?

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My comment was not about remote start. It was in reference to the danger of CO. The drivers we preoccupied with moving a frail grandmother into the house. They did not hear the Accord idling in the garage and forgot to turn it off. Now that I think more about it, I doubt that I could hear our Jeep or Volvo if they were idling in our garage.
Then you need to get your hearing checked. When you are in an enclosed garage, an idling car is LOUD. My Lexus is loud, and its one of the quietest cars on the road.

The story about your friends is a terrible one, terrible accident. But to say that cars idle "too quietly" because of that...is a pretty big stretch. A carbon monoxide detector would have saved their lives probably moreso than an artificially louder car.
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