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Excellent points, all around.

A test drive with the engine options is definitely on my list. I did that with the '06 and back then it was a no-contest win for the Hemi. The V6's were just too noisy and had to try to hard.

Everything out there today is better than the '06, lots of nice changes. The only downside to waiting for the '17 is having to continue to ignore what my existing WK needs or spend ~$2k. Which I very likely would not recoup, come trade-in. That and I'd have to shop from available '16 inventory, not necessarily getting exactly what I'm after. Blue, tan interior, Limited (or better), tow package and... an engine TBD. Likely a narrow selection of that out there.
You can test drive the MY16 as there are minimal differences between the MY16 and MY17...and then order what you want as a MY17 so you don't have to wait for dealer inventory to show up.
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Old 06-13-2016, 08:57 PM
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Re: Replace my '06 WK with...?

Good points all around, but keep one more thing in mind and that may steer you some more towards your engine choice. The 2016 V6 Pentastar has ESS (Engine Stop/Start).

A lot of hate about this technology on forums. I don't think its that bad.

Of course, I don't have it. But, I did drove a loaner Malibu with it for a month. I hated it for a week, but then it stopped bothering me...even though I drove it in heavy city traffic which led to dozens of stop/start sequence.
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Re: Replace my '06 WK with...?

Meanwhile I had the opportunity to look at several options today. Didn't drive any, that'll come as I narrow down the cargo/seating.

Jaguar F-Pace. Nice, but smaller cargo dimensions than my current WK.

Land Rover Sport HSE was nice. Larger cargo area and good driver seat space/comfort. Bit spendy and then there's the questionable maintenance woes.

BMW X5. Nicer driver seat space than I recall in previous models. Lower center console and better leg room than I remember. Pleasantly surprised by this. Rear cargo likewise a bit taller/wider. Split gate is a nice in-between since nobody does a flipper glass anymore. Keeps stuff from rolling right out when the liftgate is opened. Which happened on the F-Pace... But the options are annoyingly tedious to figure out and they don't have a lot of interior color options (don't want the ivory white because...kids are messy).

Volvo XC90 is HUGE inside. Or at least comes across that way without looking like a beast from the outside. The rear cargo area is considerably larger than the WK. Can't omit 3rd row of seats without getting the low-end engine. The T8 hybrid electric, though, ouch, that pushes $80k. Nice interior color options. But (past?) Volvo interior bits can be fragile and are spendy to repair.

Mercedes GLS is too big. Next size down is better but not sure about the overall look, certainly not 'as masculine' as other options. But then nor are the XC90 and X5 and they're certainly not trail vehicles. Apparently the X5 is due for a refresh next year.
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Re: Replace my '06 WK with...?

My best friend has 2014 Land Rover Sport and he loves it and has not spend any time on repairs yet in almost two years. It has been very reliable and made a trip to and back from Yellowstone (from Maryland). I know couple of people in my office who owns newer Land Rovers and none of them have any issues.

My cousin has 2015 X5 and he hates it and has been to shop for front suspension problems and electrical problems. This 2015 X5 was a replacement to his 2014 X5 lemon, which had lots of transmission issues. My another friend owned a 5 series and he sold it after 3 years and will never buy BMW again due to quality control issues.
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Re: Replace my '06 WK with...?

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^The current Pentastar V6 puts down better acceleration/numbers than the old Hemi and I could only imagine SIGNIFICANTLY better fuel economy as well.
If I may, must disagree on this point; only 'cause I've owned a (heavier than current G.C.) 2003 Ram 1500 (+200 lbs' of A.R.E. Canopy) with that New Hemi rendition (1st year back in the trucks). It was GREAT in the "kick it it the ass, time to get around these morons and GO" mode ! ! ! And though rarely used in that way + the added 'afe' air flow intake filter, on those near-flat Interstates doing 65-70 I was averaging 22mpg and often saw 24mpg (as stated on the trucks computer ! But regardless still Better than without the airflow system !
By no means am I "selling" it - certainly a lot of Opinions out there good & blah !

Also, and why I (agree to) disagree, is because after 12 great years with the Hemi, I now own the G.C. V6 75th Anv. Laredo . . . it too is, as I am finding, GREAT ! But, it in no way has that "Hemi Get-up & Go" ! Sorry, it just doesn't !

My guess here is that you more or less have already convinced yourself you really want the Hemi and are just wanting "reassurance" from fellow Fans to "pull the trigger" and go "have some fun" !

That's my take, worthless as it is, 'cause I ain't no "expert, just Happy New G.C. V6 4X4 trail rated 75th Laredo owner, and it makes me happier than a pig in slop !
GOOD LUCK WITH THE SHOPPING . . . and remember (as often reminded here) "no pictures, didn't happen".
One last thing,- with the NEW Hemi, and its 4 cylinder shut down at highway speeds, it does get near close enough mpg's . . . no? Yes?

ps; yea yea my pictures will be coming soon, keep your shirts on !
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Re: Replace my '06 WK with...?

Ok, took test rides with all three engines.

First up was the CRD. The turbo-lag is definitely there. Stomp on the pedal and there's a 1-2 count before the turbo spools up and the boost kicks in. Then it delivers a pretty decent push. No diesel-clatter like engines from the past. Good power and I could definitely see it being useful for towing. Around town, with my bad driving habits and I'm not sure it's right for me. But I'm leaving the option open. The kicker will be delivery timeframes.

Second was the V6. While the CRD test drive was about 2 miles, the V6 one couldn't end soon enough for me. Hemi, it ain't. For me, it ain't. Way too much RPM wind up, noise and transmission action. Nowhere near as bad as back when I bought the '06. But not what I'm after. That and no QD2 with the V6.

Lastly, the Hemi. Yep, just what I'm used to having. Though, it was much nicer at low speeds. The 5-speed in the '06 was just horrible at lugging along under 35 mph that you pretty much HAVE to speed just to stop being annoyed by it. The new transmission was a lot smoother. That and the number of driving mode selections might make it 'less heinous' at consumption. But I don't kid myself into think it'd be a miraculous improvement over the '06.

I reset the EVIC (or whatever it's called now) to zero and they all seemed to start calculating the same kind of MPG. Bad, with me gunning it.

I'm going to see about potentially renting or getting a CRD loaner. I'd like to have some real world time behind the wheel of one.
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As for packages, I like the ventilated seats. Considering a saddle interior with a True Blue exterior. The Overland interior treatment is nice. Didn't spend any time in a Summit or a 75th. The Limited interior is very similar to that of my '06 Limited. I'd definitely accept it, but will likely upgrade to the Overland. Don't like the color choices for the 75th.
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My cousin has 2015 X5 and he hates it and has been to shop for front suspension problems and electrical problems. This 2015 X5 was a replacement to his 2014 X5 lemon, which had lots of transmission issues. My another friend owned a 5 series and he sold it after 3 years and will never buy BMW again due to quality control issues.
I'd be sorely tempted to lease one, if just to avoid some of that nonsense (cost-wise). The consensus seems to be they're best owned 3 years, tops, before they get spendy to repair.
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Glad to see you got to drive them and came up with some good conclusions from that. I have never driven the diesel, maybe I should. I just assumed I wouldn't like it.
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Replace my '06 WK with...?

The diesel's turbo lag definitely was not for me. I think it's terrible.

Whether you feel like the V6 isn't fast enough or not, car and driver got 7.1 sec 0-60. Compared to what they got with the 06 Hemi, 7.0 so they're nearly identical if you punch it lol
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The diesel's turbo lag definitely was not for me. I think it's terrible. Whether you feel like the V6 isn't fast enough or not, car and driver got 7.1 sec 0-60. Compared to what they got with the 06 Hemi, 7.0 so they're nearly identical if you punch it lol
Speed and the experience getting there aren't the same thing. The V6 made a racket, with a lot of RPM wind-up and transmission shifting. Stomping off the line it was lot of noise winding up, shifting, winding up, shifting, etc. With a lot of RPM work, not torque. Yeah, I understand gear ratios and the like.

Meanwhile, the Hemi had a lot less RPM wind-up, longer spans between shifts and a much more interesting exhaust note. A bit more V8 rumble tuned into the dual exhaust than I get from the single setup on my '06.

The diesel lag wasn't awful, I've encountered worse in past vehicles. But it's definitely there. When you've spent a lot of time driving a V8 it's a different experience. The wife's Mini Cooper S convertible has a turbo, but with a manual transmission you're more likely to spin up the engine enough to spool the turbo before dumping the clutch and coming off the line. Lag there is different. With an automatic the engine doesn't know what you're about to do so there's always going to be some kind of lag. Just how much, or how 'bothersome' it might be varies. I'll offer this, mashing the pedal didn't give me the same instant push I get from the Hemi, but the PULL once it spooled up was a good bit firmer than I typically feel from the Hemi.

Thus I'd really like to get a loaner or rent one for a couple of days to use it for daily routines. That or hear from someone that's actually moved from a previous gen Hemi to the current one in a 15+ WK2.
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