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Re: Replace my '06 WK with...?

Yeah that is a good point. The V6 does feel different getting there. I went from a 14 Hemi to a 15 Pentastar..

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Re: Replace my '06 WK with...?

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That and no QD2 with the V6.
For MY17, the ELSD will be available in some circumstances with the V6.
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Re: Replace my '06 WK with...?

There has been a lot of discussion about the CRD 'turbo lag', I don't believe it is the turbo that is causing the lag, it is either throttle or trans lag, I find mine revs out then the trans engages and its off.

Some have suggested that chips and tunes have eliminated the lag, and you can get a fair bit more go out of it without losing mileage.

You may not like the idea of having to tune it, but its an option.

This seems to be a popular one:
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Re: Replace my '06 WK with...?

I've got a Range Rover Sport (V6 diesel) on overnight loan. The lag is about the same as the CRD.

The upside to the Jeep is I'd guess there's a better tuning market for it!

I'm going to talk one of the dealers into a similar loan of a CRD and see how it feels.
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Re: Replace my '06 WK with...?

If I'm not mistaken, the Diablo Tuner can be used to goose the CRD's parameters. There should be threads about that either in the Engine/Performance or CRD forum area.
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Re: Replace my '06 WK with...?

Ok, over the past two weeks I've been in or test driven just about all mid-size SUVs on the US market. The lag on the Range Rover just doesn't appeal to me.

Had a chance to drive a Cayenne diesel today and was quite pleased with it's acceleration. Very little lag, certainly less than the CRD and a LOT less than the Range Rover Sport. A test loop with typical wreckless driving style showed 18mpg. Did the same with a Cayenne S and got 15mpg. A fair bit better than I'd get out of the Hemi with just as much, if not more, off the line performance. Granted, it's nowhere near the same price category. I didn't do a similar test with the regular single-turbo Cayenne, but hope to try that later in week.

When I ran a similar test with the CRD the mileage wasn't significantly better than the Hemi. It isn't anywhere near as efficient as the Range Rover Sport. Again, for quite a lot less money. But unless I needed the towing capacity I don't think I'd see my driving habits being helped by the CRD.

That and the wife greatly preferred the Porsche. Yeah, pinch me. Trouble is they've got a stop sale order on all US diesels (VW, Porsche, Audi) with no idea when they'll resume. I'd get one today if it were possible.

If I get the Porsche I'll definitely be leasing it. I could see owning another Jeep as they're pretty durable and repair costs aren't extreme. But being able to bail out on a higher-end vehicle after a 3 year lease makes a fair bit of sense. Cut and run before pricey repairs start cropping up out of warranty.
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Re: Replace my '06 WK with...?

Shorter trips kill the mileage, the diesel becomes more efficient the longer you run. I live in a hilly area with winding roads that I like to have fun on, and do a lot of short trips. I also run oversized, agressive AT tyres and have a bit of extra weight with bashplates and rockrails. My worst is 17mpg but more often it is 19mpg. If I do a few highway runs it comes up to 24mpg.
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Re: Replace my '06 WK with...?

I've still not pulled the trigger on anything to replace my '06.

It's looking like the Cayenne diesel isn't going to be a viable purchase unless I want to postpone delivery until December. Because even if they lift the stop-order on diesels I'd still want the 2017 nav system setup. An order with that, for gas, wouldn't get here until late October. Make no mistake, however, if I could order a 2017 Cayenne diesel today, I would. It's a very nice ride, certainly a considerable upgrade from my WK.

The 2016 BMW X5D is the alternative. Their current 4/50k bumper-to-bumper coverage is a good stop-gap against typical BMW repair issues. The X5D has none of the lag preset in the Range Rover Sport or the 2016 CRD. Resale is less for the X5D but I'd lease it.
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Re: Replace my '06 WK with...?

What's wrong with the V6 or V8?
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What's wrong with the V6 or V8?
V6 has to rev up too much to find torque. Test drove two of them and did not like the combination of engine noise and transmission work. While it's better than the pathetic V6 offerings they had back in '06, it's still not to my liking.

The Hemi gets just as crappy a set of mileage figures as my '06. Had one for a test drive loop (about 30 minutes) and the EVIC (equivalent) reports same range of low figures I get out of my current one.

I was surprised to see the CRD not turning in much better numbers. Did the same kind of loop in a Range Rover Sport and a Mercedes and their diesels got the kind of better numbers I'd expect.

Make no mistake, I know why I get crappy mileage... it's my driving habits. To a certain extent I'll lay blame to the crappy 5-speed trans in the '06. That coupled with the MDS makes it, basically, unpleasant to try driving the Hemi in a fashion that might hope to be more efficient. But even when I did drive it gently and lawfully it still turns in crappy mileage figures, lumpy throttle/shifting aside.

I want a change, if just to get better range between fill ups.

The death knell toward the WK2, however, was the wife saying "This is nice, but aren't you looking for a change?"

Which may be opening the door to getting two vehicles. A compact crew cab pickup and a sportier something else. A cheap Nissan Frontier and a Macan could be interesting...
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Re: Replace my '06 WK with...?

But what about the Cayenne V6 or V8. Same issues?


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But what about the Cayenne V6 or V8. Same issues?
The VR6 in the base Cayenne manages the process better. The V6 twin-turbo S model has more inherent initial power and is even less of a problem. The diesel Cayenne would be great, but it's on a no-sale stop order in the US due to the whole VW cheating debacle. The mileage figures on the VR6 and S Cayenne remained above 16 even with being reckless with the pedal. The S gets pricey though. I'm going to retry the VR6 base Cayenne.

The X5 diesel was likewise good, I just don't know that I "want" the BMW as much as I'd regret at least trying the Porsche. Yeah, tough making choices at this price point, I know.

If you want to drive something incredible, take a test in a Porsche Macan S. The electronic clutch transmission (PDK) is something else, performance-wise. Totally not an off-road alternative to anything from Jeep, however.
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