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Re: roll away

I think it might be a combo of user error/something whack. Happened to me where I put it in park like I have a thousand times. Took my foot off the break and the shifter had apparently only made it to reverse. Rolled backward a couple of inches before braking. No incident. Hadn't even turned it off yet.

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It's fun to speculate but I'm sure that Chrysler will look into these complaints and determine the root cause. Some will be user error, some will be environment (i.e. icy surface), and some may well be mechanical or a software glitch.

Personally, I would recommend using the parking break. At least until we find out more. I've used the parking break from the start simply because there is no way to develop muscle memory with the joystick shifter.
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Old 09-04-2015, 01:09 PM
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I've never understood why people don't use their parking brakes. But there's a lot about people that I don't understand.
People in cold weather climates often don't do that when they aren't on a steep hill because the brakes can actually become stuck while engaged when moisture collecting on the hot rotors freezes.

The result is, you try to drive away in the snow or ice and end up dragging your locked rear wheels behind you.
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This is definitely 100% user error no doubt about it there are even warnings and chimes stating your car is not in park if you try hitting the start/stop button to shut the engine when in gear. I don't even think the motor turns off in that case.


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It should be pointed out that the complaint alleges that the indicator showed the shifter in Park, but the rollaways happened anyway.

What it sounds like is the system is possibly giving a false Park indicator, meaning the vehicle thinks it's in Park when it really isn't.

Motorcyclists get a similar thing, but at the opposite end: we get false neutral lights. In other words, we tick the shifter into neutral, the neutral light lights up, but the bike is really in 1st and ends up lurching and stalling when you let off the clutch. That's with a mechanical shifter. I can totally believe an electronic system could easily generate a false gear indication.

That doesn't mean that is absolutely the case hear, but it's entirely possible when everything is done through chips and software.
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It should be pointed out that the complaint alleges that the indicator showed the shifter in Park, but the rollaways happened anyway.

What it sounds like is the system is possibly giving a false Park indicator, meaning the vehicle thinks it's in Park when it really isn't.

Motorcyclists get a similar thing, but at the opposite end: we get false neutral lights. In other words, we tick the shifter into neutral, the neutral light lights up, but the bike is really in 1st and ends up lurching and stalling when you let off the clutch. That's with a mechanical shifter. I can totally believe an electronic system could easily generate a false gear indication.

That doesn't mean that is absolutely the case hear, but it's entirely possible when everything is done through chips and software.
Sorry but until I see actual proof of a mechanical problem, I'm going to go with user error.

I've done this a few times. And not once did the vehicle indicate it was in PARK when it actually wasn't.
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Old 09-05-2015, 07:12 AM
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If the "P" is illuminated in blue for more than 3 or 4 seconds with your hand off the shifter and your foot off the brake, you're good to go.... Literally.
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People in cold weather climates often don't do that when they aren't on a steep hill because the brakes can actually become stuck while engaged when moisture collecting on the hot rotors freezes.

The result is, you try to drive away in the snow or ice and end up dragging your locked rear wheels behind you.
Interesting. I live in New England and, before that, New Brunswick, Canada. I've never had any problems with my parking brake freezing. And it can get really cold in Feb in New Brunswick.

I'd be willing to bet that this is more likely from lack of use, lack of maintenance, and years of salt and water rusting the cable and causing it to freeze than actual icing up problems on an otherwise reliable functioning part.

I would think that if your parking brake is freezing up in cold temps, it just might be time to have a mechanic look at it. After all, If there is that much moisture in the line, it could lead to rust which could make it unreliable in an emergency.
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Interesting. I live in New England and, before that, New Brunswick, Canada. I've never had any problems with my parking brake freezing. And it can get really cold in Feb in New Brunswick.

I'd be willing to bet that this is more likely from lack of use, lack of maintenance, and years of salt and water rusting the cable and causing it to freeze than actual icing up problems on an otherwise reliable functioning part.

I would think that if your parking brake is freezing up in cold temps, it just might be time to have a mechanic look at it. After all, If there is that much moisture in the line, it could lead to rust which could make it unreliable in an emergency.
When I lived in Chicago, people would never use their Parking Brake, (AKA "Emergency Brake"), not so much for fear of it freezing, (although they would quite easily), but rather because the road salt, and accompanying salt water it would create, would rust and corrode the parking brake lines to the point they could seize up, and you couldn't release them.

In that type of climate, exhaust and shock absorber mechanics didn't use wrenches, they used saws, air chisels, and acetylene torches. Another common sight back there was to see vehicles going down the road with their back up lights on. Salt would short out the switch on the transmission for the back up lights after just 1 or 2 Winters.
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If the "P" is illuminated in blue for more than 3 or 4 seconds with your hand off the shifter and your foot off the brake, you're good to go.... Literally.
That is not true. I have as indicated in a previous post with this thread that twice I have seen the shifter indicate different to what the EVIC indicates with HANDS OFF. My thinking was that the selection was just sluggish, (stuck spool or something) but the error remained until re-selecting PARK. Now I always confirm the selector and EVIC indication for conformation of selected position.
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that is not true. I have as indicated in a previous post with this thread that twice i have seen the shifter indicate different to what the evic indicates with hands off. My thinking was that the selection was just sluggish, (stuck spool or something) but the error remained until re-selecting park. Now i always confirm the selector and evic indication for conformation of selected position.
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Electronic Vehicle Information Center, for the Jeep GC it's the 7'' screen between the main gauges.
The point I am trying to make is just cross check what you have selected and what actually happens with this selector. I personally don't have a big issue with this selector but it's select behaviour is not consistent. Others have reported this also in the way it selects thru the electronic gates.
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Electronic Vehicle Information Center, for the Jeep GC it's the 7'' screen between the main gauges.
The point I am trying to make is just cross check what you have selected and what actually happens with this selector. I personally don't have a big issue with this selector but it's select behaviour is not consistent. Others have reported this also in the way it selects thru the electronic gates.
Got it. While we're on the subject. I wish what gear number you're in would be illuminated better in "Drive", the way it does in "Sport Mode". You can see it at night, but not well at all in the day.
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