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Old 10-25-2014, 12:20 AM
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

Wow, some really clueless people posting about diesel's in this thread.

V8 Hemi? Sure it may be a little faster stock, but has abysmal fuel mileage. Your half the way to the cost of a diesel upgrade anyway.

V6? Rev the crap out of it in order to keep up with the diesel, and still has far worse gas mileage. Especially on the highway.

There are far more considerations than the layman's "payoff" period. A heavy vehicle like a JGC benefits far more from a torque-y/low RPM diesel and it's associated driving dynamics than a gas engine that has to spin 5,000+ RPM's to even compete. Who goes around high revving their engine constantly when a diesel pulls you along effortlessly at low rpm's sipping fuel in day to day driving?

A diesel engine will also last longer and provide better resale value. You easily makeup the higher initial cost for the diesel engine during resale. Far greater fuel tank range saving you time and money.

A V6 JGC doing a decent pace on the highway actually gets more like 20MPG, closer to 30MPG in the diesel. The V8? Forget about it.

People simply stating "payoff" numbers for one engine versus another are clueless. For the driving dynamics associated with a heavy SUV, diesel is far superior.

Hence why most American's are clueless about diesel, providing it's low associated uptake rate. Although IMO the engine should be offered in all trim levels to satiate the more frugal people who buy the lower end models.

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Old 10-25-2014, 05:59 AM
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

I love my diesel it is such a relaxed drive with so much grunt off the mark and if you want to go hard it still doesn't hurt the hip pocket.
ps I am in oz so fuel cost aside the diesel makes a heap of sense.
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

The aussie market is un effected diesel or v8 bring same resale values. I have mates with diesels I have mates with srt's I test drove a diesel b4 I went the v8. Coming from a 4.8 nissan petrol is nothing to me. Driven correctly the v8s return great fuel economy . Ring there neck and you will pay. Glad I didn't go the grandpa diesel
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The aussie market is un effected diesel or v8 bring same resale values. I have mates with diesels I have mates with srt's I test drove a diesel b4 I went the v8. Coming from a 4.8 nissan petrol is nothing to me. Driven correctly the v8s return great fuel economy . Ring there neck and you will pay. Glad I didn't go the grandpa diesel
The values might be the same, but try and find a buyer for the V8. People lining up to buy a CRD
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

Well ive been following carsales for months and regardless they all move
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

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Well ive been following carsales for months and regardless they all move
so just curious what is the price difference from diesel to regular gas in Australia. in the us it can vary but where I am diesel is $.70-$1.30 more depending on the station. Is diesel cheaper than gas over there or is it more expensive?
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so just curious what is the price difference from diesel to regular gas in Australia. in the us it can vary but where I am diesel is $.70-$1.30 more depending on the station. Is diesel cheaper than gas over there or is it more expensive?
Diesel is more expensive, couldn't tell you how much, the last 10yrs all ive had is diesel cars.
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

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Wow, some really clueless people posting about diesel's in this thread.

V8 Hemi? Sure it may be a little faster stock, but has abysmal fuel mileage. Your half the way to the cost of a diesel upgrade anyway.

V6? Rev the crap out of it in order to keep up with the diesel, and still has far worse gas mileage. Especially on the highway.

There are far more considerations than the layman's "payoff" period. A heavy vehicle like a JGC benefits far more from a torque-y/low RPM diesel and it's associated driving dynamics than a gas engine that has to spin 5,000+ RPM's to even compete. Who goes around high revving their engine constantly when a diesel pulls you along effortlessly at low rpm's sipping fuel in day to day driving?

A diesel engine will also last longer and provide better resale value. You easily makeup the higher initial cost for the diesel engine during resale. Far greater fuel tank range saving you time and money.

A V6 JGC doing a decent pace on the highway actually gets more like 20MPG, closer to 30MPG in the diesel. The V8? Forget about it.

People simply stating "payoff" numbers for one engine versus another are clueless. For the driving dynamics associated with a heavy SUV, diesel is far superior.

Hence why most American's are clueless about diesel, providing it's low associated uptake rate. Although IMO the engine should be offered in all trim levels to satiate the more frugal people who buy the lower end models.

Clueless? I don't think so. The numbers don't lie. Most people don't tow, put high mileage on their vehicle or even care that much about driving dynamics. For the majority, the cost of ownership makes no financial sense... the payback just isn't there in the time frame they're likely to keep the vehicle.

I'm not knocking the diesel... but it only took me a few minutes with paper, pen and a calculator to understand that it wasn't for me. And yes, I realize that despite finding this out for themselves, people are still going to buy one.
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

I just checked our local fuel prices... $3.09/gal for regular unleaded, $3.71/gal for diesel.

Price delta of $0.62/ gal, which is greater than I've seen in a while. It usually runs between $0.50-0.60/gal. This is the cheapest diesel price I've seen around here in years. It usually runs above $4.00/gal.

In any case, I'd be highly surprised if the day ever comes when the price of diesel drops below gas.
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Clueless? I don't think so.
The numbers don't lie. Most people don't tow, put high mileage on their vehicle or even care that much about driving dynamics. For the majority, the cost of ownership makes no financial sense... the payback just isn't there in the time frame they're likely to keep the vehicle.
This isn't about "most people". Most people (at least here in the USA) are SHEEP and not smart enough to care about finance or manage their money...have you seen the number of preditory lenders, bancruptcy rate, and forclosures? Most people can't see past the initial cost or the monthly payment. Let's be honest, "most people" is a sad group of people.

Of course, low mileage penny pinches aren't in the diesel market either.
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Yes, because for a portion of the driving population, it makes sense both financially and as a performance advantage over the life of the vehicle. The Ram 1500 Diesel is very successful and the financial equation is similar. The Ram EcoDiesel buyers have a different mentality...shared by some GC buyers, just not as many.

So, the fact is the diesel performs as well as the V8 and only cost 3% more, but has much better range and overall economy. The V6 isn't comperable.
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

I'm sorry... you can spin the justification however you want for yourself but that doesn't fly for me.

And yes, it is about most people.

I'd also wager that more Ram diesel owners tow than GC diesel owners.

We've had this argument elsewhere...
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I'm sorry... you can spin the justification however you want for yourself but that doesn't fly for me.

And yes, it is about most people.

I'd also wager that more Ram diesel owners tow than GC diesel owners.

We've had this argument elsewhere...
Spin implies fabrication...no spin, just facts. Sorry.
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