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Old 10-25-2014, 12:26 PM
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

Man, I've missed so much since being less active on the board.

So in addition to the eggbeater pentastar, and gas guzzling hemi, we can now add the overpriced, overbroken ecodiesel to the argument that all others should be buying what I have.

Henry Ford was ahead of his time.

Many feel the next credit bubble are car loans. Repo guys will be taking back vehicles with unresolved recalls, nice. Maybe they'll get better customer service than the consumer.

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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

Well, everyone is going to have their own point of view on this. Here is my general guidelines for which engine suits what use:

V6: General usage, mostly short commutes, minimal towing, usually lightly loaded.
V8: General usage, mostly short commutes, regular towing, need to carry more load.
Diesel: Long commutes (50+ each way), regular towing, need to carry more load.

Pick the engine that meets two or more of the criteria.

My opinion is that most people go with the V6 because that is what makes sense for their needs. It is a great, reliable engine, with good gas mileage, respectable towing, relatively low weight with good performance. If you want or need more than it can deliver there are other great options. I think that it is also good that everyone likes and sticks up for what they have. In my opinion, that shows that Jeep is offering what people want, hence their record sales.
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

Personally, I subscribe to the "Pick the engine that most meets your PERSONAL needs and desires..." point of view and for whatever reasons are meaningful to you. The financial aspect doesn't amount to a hill of beans for many buyers, whether it's about a diesel engine or a 6.4L V8 powered SRT. If it's what they want, than that's the correct choice.
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Old 10-25-2014, 04:07 PM
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

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The aussie market is un effected diesel or v8 bring same resale values. I have mates with diesels I have mates with srt's I test drove a diesel b4 I went the v8. Coming from a 4.8 nissan petrol is nothing to me. Driven correctly the v8s return great fuel economy . Ring there neck and you will pay. Glad I didn't go the grandpa diesel
Thats the difference I can drive my Grandpa Diesel hard all the time and not have to pay at the pump. Pretty pointless having the V8 if you have to drive like a Grandad.....just to get good economy. So glad I brought the 570nm of CRD grunt.
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Diesel is more expensive, couldn't tell you how much, the last 10yrs all ive had is diesel cars.
Checked some prices and diesel is the same price as 95pulp in Brisbane.
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

Who buys a v8 to drive like an old grandpa?
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

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Spin implies fabrication...no spin, just facts. Sorry.
LOL... sure, anything you say. Enjoy your diesel.
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:17 PM
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

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Who buys a v8 to drive like an old grandpa?
Most people when they see how often they return to the pump.
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

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People simply stating "payoff" numbers for one engine versus another are clueless. For the driving dynamics associated with a heavy SUV, diesel is far superior.

Hence why most American's are clueless about diesel, providing it's low associated uptake rate. Although IMO the engine should be offered in all trim levels to satiate the more frugal people who buy the lower end models.
Well, since I'm the one who quoted numbers with actual math, I guess you're calling me clueless. Not sure how that washes, since I actually, you know, RAN THE NUMBERS.

I used the highway EPA numbers because using much of anything other than EPA figures doesn't wash. Person A will drive differently than person B. The EPA numbers, while not necessarily realistic, are a given baseline. It eliminates the driver to driver variable. You don't understand this, yet you call ME clueless?

You love your diesel. Great. Go with it. Will it return higher resale? We don't know yet. Check again in a few years. While diesel brings fans in the pickup arena, the focus there is on outright power capability... this isn't the pickup market.

You don't like the truth of my numbers, but because you love your oil burner, you go back to ad hominem attacks against others who actually do the math. That tells us all we need to know about you, then, I guess.
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Most people when they see how often they return to the pump.
Also depends on the price of diesel relative to gasoline. Diesel savings get eaten up when it's 40 to 50 cents/gallon higher than regular which is usually the case in some areas.
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Also depends on the price of diesel relative to gasoline. Diesel savings get eaten up when it's 40 to 50 cents/gallon higher than regular which is usually the case in some areas.
LOL... and if that doesn't the oil change will.
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

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The Diesel 3.0 is not drastically different than the Hemi. In fact, with an inexpensive tuner box, it is quicker. 0-60 is very respectable and 0-45 which is common in city driving is stronger than the Hemi. I guess until you drive one, it's hard to realize how much more usable torque the diesel has...and no loud reving and poor mileage. There is nothing wrong with the other engine options but to claim the Ecodiesel isn't even comparable is to not know the capabilities.
Diesel 0-60 is 7.8 seconds. That is pretty mediocre. Especially when you consider that the regular V6 is 7.5.

2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel First Test - Motor Trend

Hemi is 6.5 seconds. That is solid for a large SUV.

2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Hemi V-8 Test – Review – Car and Driver

Both can be improved with tuners, after market parts, etc. I don't want to get into that conversation. Those of us that go the MaxCare lifetime warranty route won't touch any of that. Yes, I get there are more stats than the 0-60, but I think it gives the info we need and care about here.
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