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$6000 supercharger kit versus $300 chip that takes 30 seconds to remove. I think for most people that can afford a $50K SUV, a $300 chip for dramatic performance increase is a pretty easy sell.
True but that 6k supercharger will be faster then a 300 dollar chip and seeing how the hemi is already quicker.....

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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

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How much is the difference, and which is cheaper down under?

Diesel used to be cheaper in the USofA, but then some politics got involved.
Currently it is more expensive than premium, but some oil companies have noted this is as much of an artifact of tuning refineries to produce more gasoline for the orders of magnitude larger market compared to diesel.

Politics does the rest, where a bit of encouragement in pricing could possibly help the uptake rate now that modern diesels exist, although direct injection ultra high compression gasoline engines can compete reasonably well with diesel for power/torque even if the bulk energy content of diesel is still higher.

I don't even recall a decent diesel/electric hybrid in the USofA except those that run on railroad tracks.
Diesel tends to remain steady at about $1.50 a litre (I guess that it about $5.60 a gallon?), but varies a bit from region to region. Petrol tends to go up and down a lot, depending on the value of the dollar, supply, etc. since we have to import it. Unleaded 95 is probably about the same price as Diesel on average, I guess....

There aren't any political or govt related incentives to drive a diesel over a petrol in Oz, petrol prices have increased rapidly over the past 10 years here, and this seems to have pushed buyers to smaller and more economical cars. Even though the traditional large cars have responded with better efficiency, they are still shun by buyers. To the point that the local car manufacturers who build the larger V6 and V8s have announced they are shutting down. Buyers generally go for city driving 4 cylinder petrols and diesel SUVs for touring, towing, etc.

In europe/UK diesel small cars are popular, but I think they do get incentives to drive more efficient cars, and some of those small diesels are quite enjoyable to drive around small towns and tight streets.
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

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True but that 6k supercharger will be faster then a 300 dollar chip and seeing how the hemi is already quicker.....
I'm going to stick a Jeep badge on a 911, it will be quicker.

In stock, sure the hemi is fastest, with lots of mods, sure, it is still fastest, but I think the point being made is the diesel is not slow, and you can even match performance of a stock hemi with relatively small outlays, if that is important to a buyer.

My diesel certainly is fast enough for my needs, I haven't had to redline it yet.
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I'm going to stick a Jeep badge on a 911, it will be quicker.

In stock, sure the hemi is fastest, with lots of mods, sure, it is still fastest, but I think the point being made is the diesel is not slow, and you can even match performance of a stock hemi with relatively small outlays, if that is important to a buyer.

My diesel certainly is fast enough for my needs, I haven't had to redline it yet.
I think you may have missed my point. Someone compared two mods to eachother but eighter way the hemi is still on top.
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

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I think you may have missed my point. Someone compared two mods to eachother but eighter way the hemi is still on top.
No, that was the point I agreed was correct, I was bringing the discussion back to the original point..... the diesel is not slow.

"In stock, sure the hemi is fastest, with lots of mods, sure, it is still fastest, but I think the point being made is the diesel is not slow"
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No, that was the point I agreed was correct, I was bringing the discussion back to the original point..... the diesel is not slow.

"In stock, sure the hemi is fastest, with lots of mods, sure, it is still fastest, but I think the point being made is the diesel is not slow"
I never said it was slow. Especially if i can be made as fast as a stock hemi for 300$
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

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Well, that would be me, being an old grandpa. I ain't from Pasadena, but if you think yer damn diesel can stay with me over Loveland Pass, I'd be glad to school ya on hemi's anyday.
I think I might make you eat your words there, pops. TurboDiesels don't suffer at altitude like your normally aspirated motor. Depending on altitude, we might be close! Granted, horsepower is horsepower and *if* you can make more, you win on a long uphill race...just make sure you fill up first. I apreciate your enthusiasm and attitude!
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Well, that would be me, being an old grandpa. I ain't from Pasadena, but if you think yer damn diesel can stay with me over Loveland Pass, I'd be glad to school ya on hemi's anyday.
Mate you seem confused I own a 5.7
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

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I never said it was slow. Especially if i can be made as fast as a stock hemi for 300$
Cool, so we agree

So performance isn't a reason americans aren't buying diesels.....
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Cool, so we agree

So performance isn't a reason americans aren't buying diesels.....
Yup. I feel it comes down to a few reasons.

One being the old rep diesels got in the 80's and 90's with being loud and clunky and the smell.

The other is fuel costs. In the states diesel is on par and in some locations more expensive then premium fuel despite the fact that they get fairly decent mileage. Like for example, i got a budy with a 95' Cummins 12 valve in his ram pickup. He says he gets 34mpg highway and upper teens and low 20's city. And thats in a 5.9 litre! But the fuel cost in the fort campbell area for diesel is 3.69 while premium fuel is 3.49. At least a few weeks ago it was.
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The typical published 0-60 tests are said to be from dead stop or 1 foot rollout and turbo lag adds a second to the results. Launching with the turbo spooled puts mine in the 6.8-6.9 range. The 0-30 is REALLY strong. The turbo diesel has a fairly flat 420 ft-lbs of torque from 1800 to 4000 rpm...not a "peak" only achieved at higher revs. That's great for everyday driving....not revved out like a racer. Its not "better", just different and very desirable once you get used to it. The downside is turbo lag from a dead stop but that's any turbo. Once you are moving, the low end grunt at typical traffic speeds is amazing. I test drove the Hemi several times and it has punch but it's after a huge downshift and rpm soaring towards redline...awesome feel but not something I would do daily. I do regularly use the grunt of my diesel to effortlessly pull away from traffic. Its working hard but just doesn't sound like it. Its all in what you are used to.
Yup and there is another factor at play here too. The onboard electronics like torque management for instance, softening take off from a stop. Take my ride for example (yes i know, off topic but im making a point) its the older 3.7 with the 5 speed. Stock, there wasnt really much of a lag below 3k rpms. But now with all my mods, torque management freaks out and really hurts my 0 to 25. In some of my vids you can see where it softens power before it give me the beans.

Basically torque management is tuned to specific engine and trans options and this plays into 0 to 60 times as well. I bet the removal or at leat a significant reduction in torque management will equal faster 0 to 60 runs.

But i ask why is 0 to 60 such a big deal, when driving dynamics are a bigger factor? Lets face it, the diesel drives better in the city. That low end power is better used in the diesel for day to day driving.
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

Yeah, as I said before diesel is about $5.60 a gallon in Oz (if I got my maths right, $1.50 a litre), and 95 PULP is about the same on average, can be cheaper at the right time of the week. But the perception remains in Australia that diesel is more economical than petrol, and that probably was the case until recently, the 4 cylinder and even V6s have improved alot and can match the diesels now, if you drive them with a light foot.

But other perceptions also remain, diesel motors last longer (atleast it was the case in the days before injectors and electronics, etc) and those who want to tow automatically go for the diesel, which feeds through to higher demand in resale.

For me I just like the way the diesel drives compared to the petrol, the V8 would be fun, but I'd get killed on resale here in Oz, and range is compromised, particularly offroad.
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