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Diesel engines suck. They are slow. They will never beat a V8. .....

I guess someone forgot to tell Audi that. Pretty sure their TDi technology, alot of which is now common in most CRD engines, has proved it time and time again in the LeMans series.

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Diesel engines suck. They are slow. They will never beat a V8. .....

I guess someone forgot to tell Audi that. Pretty sure their TDi technology, alot of which is now common in most CRD engines, has proved it time and time again in the LeMans series.
Audi isnt the only ones eighter..... peogeot is their main rival with their diesel LeMans cars and i think nissian is trying to get into the game too
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Audi isnt the only ones eighter..... peogeot is their main rival with their diesel LeMans cars and i think nissian is trying to get into the game too
Yeah, most of the world can see it, but for some reason, alot of people have their heads buried in sand.
Hybrid diesels are the future, fortunately or unfortunately, I for one dont care, but love driving cars with lots of torque.
I think alot of people forget that Torque is the working potential, the horse power is simply the ability to produce torque or rotating potential.
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Yeah, most of the world can see it, but for some reason, alot of people have their heads buried in sand.
Hybrid diesels are the future, fortunately or unfortunately, I for one dont care, but love driving cars with lots of torque.
I think alot of people forget that Torque is the working potential, the horse power is simply the ability to produce torque or rotating potential.
Agreed. But i think the US is starting to come around on the diesel engine. The new chevy colorado will have a diesel option and nissian is gonna sell a cummins powered frontier and titan in the states in the next couple years. I do think that once we get a taste for diesel cars and the price of diesel comes down it will sell
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

more people driving diesel does not bring the price down.

I lived in the UK for 30 years (grew up there), ny dad bought his first diesel in 1992, diesel was cheaper (~ 20% less if i remember right) than gas. Still drives diesel but fuel is more expensive per litre than gas (has been for almost 20 years), he still has to buy less, but it takes a long time to make the payback.

Oil companies will get their pound of flesh, they just don't invest in the production infrastructure to keep prices high, i mean, the supply tight.
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more people driving diesel does not bring the price down.

I lived in the UK for 30 years (grew up there), ny dad bought his first diesel in 1992, diesel was cheaper (~ 20% less if i remember right) than gas. Still drives diesel but fuel is more expensive per litre than gas (has been for almost 20 years), he still has to buy less, but it takes a long time to make the payback.

Oil companies will get their pound of flesh, they just don't invest in the production infrastructure to keep prices high, i mean, the supply tight.
Never said more people driving diesel would bring the price down. It would come down to the politics for it to come down and for the oil companies to develop new and cheaper ways to refine it.
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Re: Sales - v6 vs hemi vs diesel?

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$6000 supercharger kit versus $300 chip that takes 30 seconds to remove. I think for most people that can afford a $50K SUV, a $300 chip for dramatic performance increase is a pretty easy sell.
A $300 tuner will make a difference for the Hemi as well. Just stating that the hemi can be pushed very far with available mods and that it makes no sense to compare a stock hemi to a modded diesel.

In any event, I wouldn't touch either because it would invalidate the MaxCare warranty.
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Seems like an unreasonable comparison. Wouldn't you need to compare a modded hemi to a modded diesel? Hemi has a ton of room for improvement. In fact, if you're REALLY ambitious you can even add a supercharger.
Now that you're getting serious, diesel and gas engines differ in the horsepower loss at high altitudes with or without super/turbocharging.

I was just taking offense with the drives like a grandpa statement unless folks making it recall the little old lady from Pasadena.

If I were to tow distances on a regular basis, I'd go diesel, however in several informal surveys on I-70 over the Colorado [and western Utah] passes, either the diesel drivers are driving like the upstream poster's grandpa or the diesel just does not perform as well towing at speed at high altitude as the hemi. This is towing trailers, large boats, etc. the diesels just seem to be slower. Possibly smarter drivers, but...
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I think I might make you eat your words there, pops. TurboDiesels don't suffer at altitude like your normally aspirated motor. Depending on altitude, we might be close! Granted, horsepower is horsepower and *if* you can make more, you win on a long uphill race...just make sure you fill up first. I apreciate your enthusiasm and attitude!
Well, I can presume that you don't drive/tow at 11,000 feet very often, or are confusing the power loss of turbo/supercharged gas engines with similar on the diesels. The diesel has higher torque, but it is horsepower that keeps up with traffic on high speed freeways and the hemi--even without a turbo--has more to lose, plus a wider power band.

Granted, the diesel would probably win over a long distance as it waves to the hemi taking a break at the gas station pump.

I'm surprised I don't see more diesels out where folks regularly take rather large boats out for the weekend, and that involves a fairly long drive.
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Pretty pointless argument really. Those who penny pinch buy a diesel those that are prepared to pay buy a v8 pretty simple math really. You dont buy a sports car to look at it!!
Ah, we hear from the apparent owner of an ugly sports car.
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Well, I can presume that you don't drive/tow at 11,000 feet very often, or are confusing the power loss of turbo/supercharged gas engines with similar on the diesels. The diesel has higher torque, but it is horsepower that keeps up with traffic on high speed freeways and the hemi--even without a turbo--has more to lose, plus a wider power band.

Granted, the diesel would probably win over a long distance as it waves to the hemi taking a break at the gas station pump.

I'm surprised I don't see more diesels out where folks regularly take rather large boats out for the weekend, and that involves a fairly long drive.
Non-turbo gas engines lose 4% to 6% horsepower per 1000 ft elevation. At 8000 ft, your 360 hp is derated to 245 hp using 4%, 187 hp at 6%. Anything higher than that and your hemi is weaker than a little 3 litre diesel.

A diesel doesn't have to have a fixed AF mixture and the turbo makes boost at altitude so it is relatively unaffected at altitude. When your hemi sees thinner air, it de-fuels to maintain a proper AF mixture...and there goes your power.

Yes, I've towed heavy with a diesel at altitude. The reason we drive slower is to keep EGT low since we want our motors to last forever. Only idiots tow up long grades wide open as a regular practice.

Also, tuning a turbodiesel is in NO WAY comperable to tuning an NA gas engine. There is NOTHING you can tune on a hemi to gain 50 hp/80 tq without supporting mechanical mods. Diesels have way more potential. They are detuned for longevity and EPA requirements.
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Ah, we hear from the apparent owner of an ugly sports car.
I happen to think it is a very attractive sports car!
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